Originally Posted by Axhliay
Just because YOU carry with Shyvana, means nothing. Overall, Shyvana was gimped by the Season 3 changes, You can't just up and say I carry with Shyvana, because it doesn't work like that.
Every champion has strengths and weaknesses. Shyvana's was her early game dueling, and her ability to counterjungle. With the increase in the health of the monsters, Shyvana now has to remain longer in teh enemy jungle to steal things. Which is a much bigger risk. In regards to her dueling, Armor pen has a massive part to play. Most of Shyvana's damage is magic, so she gets less benefit from it than Lee or Nocturne.
Can she make use of it? Yes. But its not in the best way. Hence why Hybrid runes are great on her.
She used her early game to get in and steal as many of the enemy buffs as possible. Now that that has been weakened, what does she have? Her late game is average compared to alot of other bruisers
So if she is weaker in alot of areas what sense is there to pick her competetively.?
Um clear times with Shyvana has been largely untouched, same with her counter jungling. In S2 I cleared a wraith camp with her with a Wriggles in about 3-4 seconds, I still do the exact same with her in S3. This perception that she got slower in the jungle or has more difficulty clearing simply isn't true.
Noc, Mundo, Shyvana, Maokai, Diana, and to a lesser extent Lee Sin, really didn't have their clear times hit all that hard if at all by the S3 patch, now patches after that are a different story, but by in large the jungle changes in terms of the actual jungle camps themselves actually HELPS Shyvana. Counter jungling is absolutely brutal now and Shyvana excells at that almost uncontested, Mundo and Noc are really the only two with potential to match her. Shyvana also has a much easier time getting out than either of those two namely because of burnout at early levels and dragon once you hit 6. Mundo doesn't get his move speed until he gets his ult and nocs move speed has a short distance and makes his path predictable.
If you are having issues counter jungling as Shyvana stop blaming the jungle or Shyvana because neither of them are the problem.
Also if people, I am not the only one, are consistantly carring games with Shyvana and have been since S3 patch has dropped I think that says a lot. Those of us who build and play her correctly have abo****ely zero problems carring and dominating games with her, including when going against these new supposedly awesome champs that completely out do her.
Copperpoint my comments have been about 5s not 3s. While I do carry very effectively with Shyvana in 3s I carry even harder in 5s when her map dominance and counter jungle ability is the most brutal.