has anyone played him as anything other than supprt? how did it work out? is ad or ap better on him? thanks for all info in advance

His AP ratios are pretty junk. His highest is .5, except on his ult I believe. His Q does strange things with AD (Passive scales), but it'd be a one-hit pony. It'd be like AP Janna, except worse.

I like him as a beefy melee top. Great lane presence and REALLY versatle for your jungler to gank your lane.

Ad mid i Start with boots 3 pots build into Beserkers Greaves>Avarice Blade>Frozen Mallet>BT>IE>PD

Ive had alot of fun with this i just farm under tower and pull people who get to cocky into it for easy kills until i get my mallet then its lols city with a slow on hit andall your grabs/moves.

Build him like elise, magic pen and some health, and go to town. ;D

i build him wriggles lan, zerkers, runaan's huricane, BT, frozen mallet, gunblade ... games over by then.

9/21/0
with ad quints
ad red and yellow and armor blues