Have you considered trundle for jungling? I've played him multiple times in ranked 3's and found him very effective.

- Pillar works amazing on TT because of smaller passageways
- Decent sustain from passive
- Nice movespeed and attack speed from W
-Sap AD with Q
- Counter tanks with his ult

I'm very open to feedback about jungler ratings.

I had Amumu up a lot higher in the list before. He definitely has his upsides... mainly his teamfight presence with his ult. To me his early game is just a little bit too weak. He is so susceptible to counter jungling, and can't counter jungle on his own, as he is a terrible duelist and has no escapes. Just play aggressive against him early and you can shut him down hard. Not to say he isn't viable. He definitely is a strong pick and if you can make it to 6 relatively unscathed, you can force and win teamfights. Do you agree with this, or do you still think I should move him up the list? What don't you agree with about the placement of the other junglers? Feel free to respond to this as well Ashno!

Thanks for the feedback.

Edit: Moved him up to bottom of Tier 2. I still think he has a lot of downsides, but his upsides are good enough that he is a still a strong pick.

Good list

How would you rank Lee Sin as an AD lane, instead of a jungler?

Yes, I've played him several times. He doesn't do enough damage. Yeah his ganks are decent, and his sustain is pretty good, but this map is a lot of team fighting. And he just doesn't have enough of a teamfight presence. If you have an itch to make artificial terrain, just play Jarvan. He is much more viable imo... I'm going to be moving him up the list a bit pretty soon.

Gangplank should be higher up I think.
I hit like 1.1k with every basic attack with dat crit

There's definitively a couple I disagree with, for example malzahar, zilean, and hecarim should be higher imo, but overall decent list.

good stuff

LAME.

I kid, I kid. Nice work, very thorough.

Here are my propsed changes.

1. Darius should be higher.

That is all.

well hello yetti

take nid off tier list pls and ty