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darius is STILL too op

 
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Firentis ?? Junior Member
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01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by pengwndude View Post
for the learning curve and the stompablitiy as well as durability and cc
THIS GUY DOES TOO MUCH

the one thing that "balances" him is his price!
obviously exaggerating but still
his cooldown is probably the only thing going for downsides. he does way too much damage

even his counters can still get stomped if darius knows what he's doing
and even if he feeds, he's still an absolute threat at any point

impossible to 1v1, and still a hesitant 2v1. if you do fight him, the entire fight revolves around staying as far away as possible.
That's not a fight at all.


stupid pull.
Have you ever seen a Swain vs. Darius? Get those birds on him. CAW CAW MOTHERF**KER! No but seriously, I'm able to stay out of his harass range and kill him as soon as I get my ultimate.

 
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Homocastle ?? Senior Member
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01-26-2013

Yorick will destroy any un-hyperfed darius. Your sustain beats out his little blood dots. Poke with your ghouls until half hp, engage, win.

 
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01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by GamerSlayer View Post
You def put some champs on there that are not counters, but can do well against him if played right, which could be said about any champ that does not get dominated by Darius.
So, I revised your list to be more accurate to fix this biased argument.

Counters to Darius
yoric
Garen
Jayce
Taric
Ashe
Kayle
Teemo ( if played right)
Nid
trynda
vlad
Late game almost any ADC with a slow can kite Darius

This is a much better list, and I would add that you have to consider, Darius doesn't lane against adcs so he is a lot more likely to get fed before he ever has to fight them and then has a better chance of killing them. Darius is a machine that was built to pentakill and hopefully, Riot will change his purpose. It is just a stupid idea because he either sucks or he kses all the teams kills and thereby proves to be a bad team player because he is the only one who gets fed.
umm actually no all those champions i named counter darius well all you need is a spam ranged poke and u win against darius unless you are dumb enough to stand next to him the entire time they all do the job well

AD darius does a lot of damage but extremely squishy
Tanky darius tanks but cant do the damage to get most of the champions i just named

Rengar easily counters darius you can bolo him down and burst him with your Q when low enough darius should rarely ever get a pull on you
malz can 1v1 most champions his single target Damage is amazing darius can't get tanky enough early game to deal with a combo from malz
Morde's shield is a pretty big counter also i believe that morde's E has a bigger range than Darius's pull also Morde has a drain and a shield which put Darius at a disadvantage

Build GA against darius no CD reset if u do
there are so many ways to counter darius he is in no way OP !

 
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Flipsy ?? Member
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01-26-2013

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Originally Posted by pengwndude View Post
i've been around as long as wukong has. I'm not amazing at this game, but i'm no scrub.

even so, the sight someone picking him makes a lot of people groan and for a game to be enjoyable shouldn't be pure skill. He's not fun to fight against. period.

also, who the eff plays ashe top? Who plays taric top? i did however, did not know that rengar was that effective, so that was useful/

if your argument is that an ult prevents darius from winning, then that's not really promising. Yes kayle can turn invincible for a bit but then you're mortal again for another minute and a half. '
Even if you're one of the few legitimate counters to darius, it's still super dangerous. and darius beats most other tops
I've been around since Wukong as well, and as an Orianna main I gotta say, even I'm laughing at you now. All your responses are sticking to the meta like it's a requirement (who plays ashe/taric top?). Another rebuttal you stated was even if Darius went 0-10, you could not duel him 1v1. How would you know? If he was 0-10, how could you test a 1v1? Also, you say kiting isn't a real fight? I beg to differ. I've seen a Vayne get a penta kill by Tumbling backwards and shooting the enemy team, then getting back and tumbling, kiting her way to an easy 5 kills. I myself have gotten a large number of quadras and a couple of pentas with Orianna and Syndra, by kiting. How is kiting not a real fight? It is a part of the game's mechanics and strategies. You should try strategy sometime. It makes you feel smart.

The purpose of the game is to outwit your opponent. How many times have I baited out an Apprehend, Event Horizon, Charm, Rocket Grab, Cleaver, etc.? Too many times to count. What do you get from being able to bait out moves like those? You get free seconds of poke. I notice you don't have Darius (or at least refuse to play him). If he's so OP, ****ing play him and see how lolwell you do.

 
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Februarys ?? Junior Member
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01-26-2013

Darius isn't as OP as you think since countering him is basically keeping your distance. I vsed a Darius today in 3v3 normal as Janna. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Darius to even touch Janna. And if he did, Barrier + Tornado. Boom safe. Also having him on your team can sometimes be hurtful. Darius just takes kills like crazy. Which means most of the money from team fights is going straight to Darius instead of ADC who out-damages Darius late. derp.

 
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Skellyton22 ?? Senior Member
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01-26-2013

I play Hybrid Ez Top

Really I love a Dar lane, it is one of(Garren and Singed being others) hardest SKILL lanes for me. I have complete control over the lane, if I do well I will win and there is nothing he can do about it, but If I EVER make the smallest mistake, it will be my death.

He has lots of counter play, one under looked on is Ez(Hybrid or AD). I wont go into the details of why.
The other I know of is Teemo. Why? You can't AA him. Thats right, thats why do blinding dart him instead. Teemo, with his extra move speed can just relentlessly kept RIGHT out of Dar's range.

There are a lot of others that people don't think of, Syndra is very good vs him too, though she has other flaws that keep her in the "ok but not in high elo".

Ahir is another that I know of.

Something I've found is swiftness boots help, and if you know what you are doing, you should never be grabbed(as one of these champs).

 
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Baughwssery ?? Senior Member
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01-27-2013

His counter doesn't get countered if his counter is smart. If you were to play a hard counter to Darius (say Teemo) and both people were at the same skill level, Teemo wins. It's just in the nature of counters to effectively shut down champs that they can win against.

 
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Soferir ?? Senior Member
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01-27-2013

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Originally Posted by pengwndude View Post
look
the fact is that there are more complaints and arguments against AND for darius

he's easily one of the most debated champion


my argument is this

1. he bursts like a mofo. most burst champions are mages, and they are squishy. even non ap burst champs tend to be on the squishier side
is darius? nope.
2. even if darius SUCKS HARDER THAN A BLACKHOLE FULL OF VACUUMS, saaaaay, 0/10, you still can't 1v1 him. what kind of champion can't you 1v1 ever? tanks usually, but also usually they don't have high damage. i can't think of a match up that's ever safe to 1v1.
3. the worst thing is this. people always say kite him! don't let him hit you! harass him! HIS FRICKIN PULL. even as teemo, your poke is baaaaaarely out of his pull range. which means you're almost always in his pull range if you dare try to attack. jayce has a poke, but it has a moderate cooldown.
you can't farm, cuz he'll rip you to shreads. you can't fight him cuz he'll rip you to shreads.
a fight that's only kites. that's not a fight
Darius only gets damage if he BUILDS it. He only gets tanky if he BUILDS it. If he builds tanky he has to rely on his ult for everything, so he's gonna killsteal for the resets. If he built damage, he'll get blown up. I've 1v1'd Darius and won as almost every champion I played. Renek - Oh, you wanted to farm? EQWE says no. R says no to your R. Irelia - Honey Badger don't give a ****. Ahri - Keep on using that EQW harass, kite with R. Swain - WEQR, walk away. Repeat combo, use R in center of minion wave should he catch me. Viktor - Death Laser to the face, over and over and over. Riven - Nice pull and slow, too bad I got 4 dashes and a small stun. MF - Harass using minions, never quit harassing, ult and kill him. Hell I've killed Darius with KARMA, Shield + Heal denies ult, slow allows easy kiting, and all the while I just lololololol at Darius' failed attempts to kill me. I rip Darius to shreds in top lane, I've ripped a fed Darius apart when I was midding, and the Darius I 1v1'd as Karma rage quit shortly after the humilating death by support.
Also, the game is a TEAM game, you should be trying to avoid 1v1's, and should be trying to stick with the team. If Darius builds tanky just ignore him, maybe just peel him off your squishies. Also build a GA, Darius will hate you for it, counters everything about him. If Darius builds damage, he's normally quite Squishy, so burst him down. If he builds in the middle, focus him after killing the enemy squishies.

 
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Tsabo ?? Senior Member
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01-27-2013

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Originally Posted by GamerSlayer View Post
You def put some champs on there that are not counters, but can do well against him if played right, which could be said about any champ that does not get dominated by Darius.
So, I revised your list to be more accurate to fix this biased argument.

Counters to Darius
yoric
Garen
Jayce
Taric
Ashe
Kayle
Teemo ( if played right)
Nid
trynda
vlad
Late game almost any ADC with a slow can kite Darius

This is a much better list, and I would add that you have to consider, Darius doesn't lane against adcs so he is a lot more likely to get fed before he ever has to fight them and then has a better chance of killing them. Darius is a machine that was built to pentakill and hopefully, Riot will change his purpose. It is just a stupid idea because he either sucks or he kses all the teams kills and thereby proves to be a bad team player because he is the only one who gets fed.
Swain (he's top lane, sometimes).
Elise can roflstomp him too.
Gragas.
Kha'zix.
Lee Sin (this guy can dance all over the place and there's nothing Darius can do about it)
Malph (that poke)
Urgot.

There's probably some more who can win with ease against Darius, but i wouldn't finish today.

 
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jimmy155 ?? Junior Member
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01-27-2013

are you stupid? garen, olaf and pathone all counters darius solo top. also darius dont have escape skill. he can't run when someone gank him