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GurkenMAN ?? Senior Member
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01-28-2013

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actually she can... she doesnt have to kite him. Irelia can actually kill him. No burst, just a flatout brawl

As irelia I often get fed because darius players don't know this actually lol. Fiora can do the same thing. So can lee sin. So can Vi. So can AD Voli actually. So can thrundle I heard. Jayce can do it too
Full build against Darius with no items?

Stop talking ****- he kills all AS-dependent champs 1v1 because of AS and MS-slow. Bcause the MS-Slow and his e you also cant get away.

Also your flash-argument before is bullsh. If you assume you can flash out, then also assume he flashes after you.

He is far too naturally tanky and got high basedmg on skills (+hemo) as well. Then the ult-mechanic...nuff said.

Unfortunately many wannabe-pros on this forum count everyone who complain about this champ as a noob. Without argumenting- but its funny^^

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Oh, and before the spoiled kids from the internet come to call ppl "noob".

I beat him top about 90% of games. but i mostly play elise and build hp anyway and she is a real hardcounter to darius (harass,cc in human- Armor+Mr+not rly AS-dependend in spider because of spiderlings; great duelist in many cases). Pre 6 he just sits at tower and has <50cs at 15mins usually.

The thing is he has such ridiculous comebacks later, its not even funny. He catches 1 or 2 kills with his ridiculous combodamage and ult and maybe farms a little and at 30 mins rly destroys in teamfights while being very tanky and sooo forgiving to play.

nerf dat **** (basearmor, Basedmg on skills and such; More play around the stacks)

Most annoying thing after teemo

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CerealBoxOfDoom ?? Senior Member
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Full build against Darius with no items?
who said anything about this?

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Stop talking ****- he kills all AS-dependent champs 1v1 because of AS and MS-slow. Bcause the MS-Slow and his e you also cant get away.
no, because of the slow sometimes HE can get away. As for the AS reduction its completely irrelevant against champs with aa reset or tenacity since its an AS slow attached to a MS slow. The MS slow actually weakens it.

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Also your flash-argument before is bullsh. If you assume you can flash out, then also assume he flashes after you.
I was talking about flashing IN which isnt necessary if you have a gapcloser with at least 200 or so range

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He is far too naturally tanky and got high basedmg on skills (+hemo) as well. Then the ult-mechanic...nuff said.
sustain can easily negate and outrun hemo and high base damage is nothing new.

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Unfortunately many wannabe-pros on this forum count everyone who complain about this champ as a noob. Without argumenting- but its funny^^
I didnt call you a noob I think, I forget, theres so many baddies. But you do sound awfully noobish right now.

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Oh, and before the spoiled kids from the internet come to call ppl "noob".

I beat him top about 90% of games. but i mostly play elise and build hp anyway and she is a real hardcounter to darius (harass,cc in human- Armor+Mr+not rly AS-dependend in spider because of spiderlings; great duelist in many cases). Pre 6 he just sits at tower and has <50cs at 15mins usually.

The thing is he has such ridiculous comebacks later, its not even funny. He catches 1 or 2 kills with his ridiculous combodamage and ult and maybe farms a little and at 30 mins rly destroys in teamfights while being very tanky and sooo forgiving to play.

nerf dat **** (basearmor, Basedmg on skills and such; More play around the stacks)

Most annoying thing after teemo
you are a noob. Maybe in game but gamedesignwise you are a noob. You are getting **** because of your petty approach to addressing darius's issues. Its uncompramising and you don't seem to give a **** about the weaknesses he needs addressed but you want him nerfed into the ground for your own selfish pleasure under bold assumptions you don't even bother to try proving or doing the math on such as the fact that crippling strikes AS slow can last as little as 0.7 seconds on irelia who can reset her aa with her Q anyways practically ignoring it outside of its bonus damage. Then you want to screw with his farming skill, make his major teamfight skills unaffordable just because at level 18 he can do what he's designed to do? At level 18 your team should be able to stay out of range long enough to lose hemorrage stacks and make him drain too much mana to get them back onto champs anyways. It costs a total of 500 to ult 5 champs and each must be within 475 range of darius after he finishes ulting a teammate with low enough hp or hemorage stacks. Needless to say, give a **** and disengage when too many champs have hemorrage

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Ms slow weakens AS-Slow? You mean the mastery?
Well- sure it weakens his w a little, but its also still there for at least 1,7s+ AA-Resets+amplifies damage, so why you state it is completely countered? Thats bullcrap again.

And how often do you have AA-Reset with other mentioned champs? Often they arent spammable- he also AA-resets and thats quite often once you have some hemostacks.

I dont care about the other arguments tbh. They arent right imo- "high sustain" and such "arguments". If you have to outsustain his hemo, then you dont reg the basedmg he did before.You will lose nearly every trade definitely! And after 6 he just kills you in 1 rotation if he bought like at least a pickaxe and gets q-pull-AA-w-2AA off, which is silly easy if he has someone in range. Sure staying off the range is a solution but thats then called "zoning potential" if you didnt know about that.

But as mentioned- i dont care that much to argue with you. I know it doesnt has any sense. He WILL be changed at some time.

Till then ill deal with it and play him myself from time to time if im too drunk or stoned because then i do mistakes but with darius it isnt that of a big deal as with lets say elise.

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you are a noob. Maybe in game but gamedesignwise you are a noob. You are getting **** because of your petty approach to addressing darius's issues. Its uncompramising and you don't seem to give a **** about the weaknesses he needs addressed but you want him nerfed into the ground for your own selfish pleasure under bold assumptions you don't even bother to try proving or doing the math on such as the fact that crippling strikes AS slow can last as little as 0.7 seconds on irelia who can reset her aa with her Q anyways practically ignoring it outside of its bonus damage. Then you want to screw with his farming skill, make his major teamfight skills unaffordable just because at level 18 he can do what he's designed to do? At level 18 your team should be able to stay out of range long enough to lose hemorrage stacks and make him drain too much mana to get them back onto champs anyways. It costs a total of 500 to ult 5 champs and each must be within 475 range of darius after he finishes ulting a teammate with low enough hp or hemorage stacks. Needless to say, give a **** and disengage when too many champs have hemorrage
Surely you are veeery experienced in this game to pick such great examples like isolated scope on irelia against a cc^^
Oh wait...you forot mentioning damage and itemization and such- but thats nothing new...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwYqpweaFRw

ERMEHGERD

SHE NO GET TOUCH BY AXE WTF@!?!?!!?

DARIOUS OP LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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99% of Darius opposistionists.

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Ms slow weakens AS-Slow? You mean the mastery?
Well- sure it weakens his w a little, but its also still there for at least 1,7s+ AA-Resets+amplifies damage, so why you state it is completely countered? Thats bullcrap again.

And how often do you have AA-Reset with other mentioned champs? Often they arent spammable- he also AA-resets and thats quite often once you have some hemostacks.

I dont care about the other arguments tbh. They arent right imo- "high sustain" and such "arguments". If you have to outsustain his hemo, then you dont reg the basedmg he did before.You will lose nearly every trade definitely! And after 6 he just kills you in 1 rotation if he bought like at least a pickaxe and gets q-pull-AA-w-2AA off, which is silly easy if he has someone in range. Sure staying off the range is a solution but thats then called "zoning potential" if you didnt know about that.

But as mentioned- i dont care that much to argue with you. I know it doesnt has any sense. He WILL be changed at some time.

Till then ill deal with it and play him myself from time to time if im too drunk or stoned because then i do mistakes but with darius it isnt that of a big deal as with lets say elise.
By default AS slow is not subject to tenacity

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Attack speed reduction duration is not affected by tenacity. However if attack speed reduction is in one ability with crowd control like Nunu's Ice Blast, then tenacity reduces its duration. So attack speed reduction is reduced by tenacity only along with other crowd control.
Since a slow was added to the ability one of crippling strikes strongest abilities is gimped by tenacity and similar effects which irelia has. That aside, due to magic resist and heals and hp regen the hemo stacks are easily negated with a little sustain. From there its just a matter of dealing enough damage to darius which many champs can. It's mostly a question of if you can dodge the blade of his axe by either staying away or sticking to him. Most champs that can take him can do one or the other. Champs that can interrupt his ult can also get an upperhand on him such as vi or fiora

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Surely you are veeery experienced in this game to pick such great examples like isolated scope on irelia against a cc^^
Oh wait...you forot mentioning damage and itemization and such- but thats nothing new...
I named like 6 others it just seemed like we were focusing on her

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Every Nerf Darius thread has a lot of vehement supporters of Darius

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