I recall he's already had a two week ban, so a permaban here is probably reasonable. Not sure why it shook out this way exactly though.

Twisted Fate [00:01:47] btw word of warning i will almost always ignore yalls opinions
Twisted Fate [00:02:04] i assume all of yall are major noobs :P

All chat whining, team whining, constant negative attitude and even a game where you just straight up leave your team. No shock on the permaban there.

I'd say I wonder why the 2 week cases overlapped with the permaban, but honestly.. just remembering a few of your posts, this doesn't surprise me in the least and honestly doesn't cause a blip in the radar. Honestly, for all we know, since perms are done by Riot anyways, this could just be them speeding it up. Wouldn't blame them if they did

Yes, I agree that this guy is not the most agreeable person playing the game and, frankly, I'd not be surprised if he got a perma.

But I will defend him on the fact that this seems to be a bug if he is being perma bamp with overlapped cases. If he is to be perma bamp then, in my opinion, it should not be with recycled cases. I do not usually say this, but if Riot employees do review each perma bamp case then someone seriously screwed the pooch here.

The fact that this occured during his 2 week bamp is unfair in that he has not been given the time to reform / further hang himself.

That is my 2 cents and, frankly, I'mma kinda disappointed in Riot if they do not at least address the possibility of a Tribunal bug / human error.

Not to beat a dead horse, but..

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...=the+hobo+lord

This guy has had 11 months to reform. Pretty sure that behaviour isn't changing.

If there was an error then it is more likely the error was that he got a 2 week ban when he should have had a perma ban.

If that's the case, then they fixed the error. Problem solved.

Oh I agree this couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.

But the circumstances surrounding the nature of the perma bamp is suspect: that it occurs during his serving of a bamp with 2 / 5 of the judging cases being the same? My concern is that this occured after, I believe, the updates to the Tribunal system.

If this was another 2 week bamp then I'd chalk it up for automated error but, as Riot has said multiple times, each perma bamp case is reviewed by a Rioter. That in the face of these issues a Riot employee decided to issue a perma bamp seems heavyhanded and worrysome.

The whole argument for the Tribunal is that it works, for the most part, within a set of clearly defined rules: if we have issues like this cropping up where Rioters are seen to be overriding the initial rules they themselves set up, well, it doesn't necessarily tarnish the system's reputation but for me, at least, I'd be more skeptical of the process in the future.

I suppose an example would be if you were parking in a handicap spot and getting ticketed twiced, then having your car towed int he space of 10 minutes of the first ticket being issued.

You're guilty, yes, but the problem is that you originally get ticketed for a set fine, then 5 minutes after the first ticket you get a second that results in your car being towed.

You aren't given time to respond by moving your car. It is unnecessary. Give him one or the other: don't go through issuing both within a short time where you are incapable of action.

I just am disturbed by the fact that this person, who once again I am not trying to deny is toxic, gets perma bamp with the reasons stated above by a Rioter who may or may not be violating the spirit of the law (I know there have been exceptions before but the evidence provided by OP and the fact that there was a Tribunal update / buggy is bothersome).

I think after reading this guys' posts here on the forum and the two cases despite them being close to identically...

the 2 weeks ban is unjustified. There was no need to get this up. Perma is the best choice to go.

I wouldn't even shed a tear on such people even if they obviously show that they haven't learnt a thing. Back to Counterstrike buddy. There you can flame as much as you want :-)

What if the 2 weeks ban was not the actual punishment to be handed down.

Example:

Jury says they think the murderer should only have 10 years.

But then the Judge comes in and decides said punishment was not severe enough and gives him life.

In all honesty, if a Riot employee looked at the case and decided "Hey, maybe 8 bans is enough for this guy, he's been in the tribunal system for 11 months, why are we still letting him be toxic to everyone in the game?" and permabanned him, why is that a problem?

This has been done before by Rioters, manual escalation of bans. Not sure if this is the case here, but since this is the first time I've seen something like this in a ban in the hundreds of posts on these forums, it's not exactly common.

Curious of the rationale here - If the decision was made to permaban for this particular person, how is that "heavy handed"? He's obviously been through the system for almost a year (Hell, he's kept us updated by spamming this forum about it every single time) and he's just as bad as his original ban post.. if anything, I'm more worried about this because it shows the tribunal is too damn slow sometimes in removing this kind of stuff from the game.