Originally Posted by Cubertt
in the games ive seen i think jayce is better. Nid is great, but her dmg is much less consistent, u can have ppl dodging ques, smart tanks with MR staying out of traps and watching out for squishies, or nid can just striaght miss em.
sure nid pwns ppl at low hp but wouldnt jayce be able to do the same thing to anyone super low too?
im having a hard time comparing them because of the fact that nids got the heals and void trap, those things scale the better ur teamates are. also comparing a support mage, to a ad carry which is kinda hard in itself.
i also see many many more nids which would also equal more bad nids
It doesn't really matter to me whether or not Nidalee is 3rd strongest or not. What the main purpose of this thread is to get a community consensus that Nidalee is overpowered on the Cheesecake level, much like Eve was overpowered on the Cheesecake level yet considered to be 'tier 1'. If we are only comparing Nidalee's level of strength to Jayce, a champion who has been considered Cheesecake since release, then that already indicates something about Nidalee's strength. In other words, it doesn't really matter to me if Jayce is taking the 3rd strongest champion if that means Nidalee is 4th strongest.
I think one of the things I was comparing is the fact that when it comes down to point defence, poke on the level of Jayce and Nidalee is simply overpowered on Dominion. Both of them.They can both be dodged, but the fact of the matter is, dodging means you have to stop capping the point, and neither Nidalee nor Jayce need to commit to use this form of poke/point defence.
The main difference between Jayce and Nidalee is probably their key strengths. Jayce can scale into a late game hyper carry and have versatility as both a bot and top laner whereas Nidalee has stronger jungle control at all points in the game.
I'd personally rather play vs a Jayce than a Nidalee any day, though I am willing to concede that Jayce is potentially stronger.
Oh also, about the people stepping onto traps thing, Nidalee can just put traps into every bush. This means you can't step into any bush without taking damage and revealing yourself for 12 seconds. This automatically means that you can't go into bushes under normal circumstances whereas the enemy can. It has nothing to do with 'stepping on visible traps', though with smart placement, people are still going to step on those as well, especially the ones that abuse the way vision + reaction timing works. Tl;dr It gets to a point where it doesn't even matter if the brush has a trap or not, simply the fact that it could prevents you from facechecking (or using) any brush.