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01-31-2013

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Originally Posted by jmlinden7 View Post
It works on Yorick ghouls too, but surprisingly not on Elise Spiderlings.
The proc does? Hmm might play Yorick soon to try it out.

 
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Originally Posted by deadlychuck View Post
But they aren't hard to control, they use a simplistic priory system

autoattack target > malefic visions > nether grasp

also the reason his voidlings proc BC is because all abilities which do physical damage proc it now, even though it's a passive and pets, the voidlings are still an ability.

I also love how voidlings benefit from both captains teir 3 boots 20% move speed, as well as banner of command's 15% damage buff, if you can get someone on your team to build it
Well when Season 2 ended and the new Black Cleaver was released, it didn't work. For some reason, it got ninja patched, and now it does, hence why I'm posting this. Regarding Yorick vs Elise, it makes sense for ghouls to work because they do physical damage, I think the spiderlings only do the magic damage, without any physical base.

 
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What are you supposed to do with AD malz?
You've never tried it then. With the right item like max CDR, so he can have 2 voidlings up at all times, the amount of damage his voidlings do is CRAZY, they scale with his AD

 
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You've never tried it then. With the right item like max CDR, so he can have 2 voidlings up at all times, the amount of damage his voidlings do is CRAZY, they scale with his AD
They have much higher base AD too.

 
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You've never tried it then. With the right item like max CDR, so he can have 2 voidlings up at all times, the amount of damage his voidlings do is CRAZY, they scale with his AD
but dont they just kindof fail to survive?

 
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01-31-2013

Oh, well i guess they fixed it then. It used to proc black cleaver with voildings and then it failed. Working normal now.

 
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but dont they just kindof fail to survive?
They do. Timing is essential to play AD Malz. That's why so many can't play him and instantly write the build off as fail, troll..etc

 
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Originally Posted by Malzyhurr View Post
They do. Timing is essential to play AD Malz. That's why so many can't play him and instantly write the build off as fail, troll..etc
A lot of it is also like psychology. People are used to writing off the voidlings, so if you are running away from someone that thinks they outtraded you and you just drop MV on them, you can run around in circles screaming like a girl, and in their bloodthirst, they may not notice that they're getting eaten by a voidling. I like to get first blood this way, before they figure out I'm AD.

 
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but dont they just kindof fail to survive?
Still ignoring all the arguments I posed in my thread I see. I have explained time and time again why they DO survive, and you have failed to provide logical counter-arguments. Shall I explain it again?

Nobody focuses them. Voidings have 200 (+50/level) health, and smite deals 460 (+30/level) true damage. Level 13 is the threshold at which smite deals just enough damage to kill a voidling. Beyond this, smite will no longer kill a voidling. This leaves a very small window in the mid game where the enemy jungler can, if he has smite available, kill one of Malzahar's voidlings. By this point in the game, Malzahar is capable of summoning another voidling within a few seconds, although granted, this delay does weaken AD Malzahar.

Smite will kill voidlings in the lane phase, but this is only possible if the jungler is present, which very likely means that he is making a gank attempt. Malzahar doesn't need his voidling while he's running away from a gank.

In the late game, smite will not kill voidlings. The only other option at this point is to spend precious abilities, auto attacks, and time trying to kill Malzahar's voidlings, which is effectively the same thing as trying to kill a bruiser as an assassin: you waste your cooldowns and time, meanwhile, the enemy AD carry is beating on your team and you're not doing your job of trying to take him out. Even during the mid and early game, smite will only eliminate a single voidling, of which Malzahar will likely have two. You are weakening him, but certainly not destroying him. Also, during the mid game, most major team fights are to lay claim to dragon. If your jungler uses smite to weaken AD Malzahar's voidlings, he will not have it available to potentially steal or secure the dragon.

Finally, the AoE abilities of mages will not kill off voidlings. Malzahar's voidlings will, for one, be chasing his enemies. The enemy mage's abilities are going to targeted at Malzahar's team. The voidlings are not likely to be hit by AoE magic, and even if they are, with 1100 HP and 50 MR at level 18, it will take more than 1, or perhaps even two, spells to take one down. Some magic may target minions that are somewhat nearby, such as Brand's ultimate. In a team fight, Brand's ultimate will be wasted if it bounces to a voidling instead of a champion. Granted, in smaller engagements, or 1v1 engagements, Brand will have the upper hand on Malzahar, since his voidlings will cause Brand's ultimate to hit Malzahar more than once.

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