Garen needs a nerf so badly. its pathetic how he can stack health and still 1v1 and clearly dominate some1 who buys damage and armour and armour pen. Rediculous

It is also pretty ridiculous how bad scrubs and how they refuse to learn how to kite.

kinda hard to kite as a melee bruiser. Which is what most top laners are. only top lanes that can lane against garen successfully are champs like morde, teemo, vlad, ryze (yes he can top lane), and yorick(ish). Probably forgetting a few, im drunk. Point is, as a champ who can build straight up defensive stats, its pretty crazy how much damage he can deal.

Now, to say something helpful. Garen kicks the **** out of 1v1 melee. But ranged counters him pretty hard. So if you see them picking garen, pick a ranged.

garen get speed buff from Q

Slow him after he uses it. Or just slap on a slow from a Frozen Mallet/Red buff/Ashe and reapply it should he clear it.

FYI Its a team game. Use the team. Also if he stacks health get a % health damage item, if he's stacking purely heatlh, as you did not mention his resistances, he should melt. Also, Kog laughs at the pure health stackers.

yeah a agree with garen nerf.

The only thing I agree with is how ridiculous it is that bruisers and tanks can build straight HP/armor/mres and still do as much damage [sustained] as a carry, and 1v1 the ADC or APC and his 5k hp 200 armor/170mres will wreck you. And kiting Garen isn't exactly easy. Even champ with slows like Ashe can't turn around and poke him enough to KILL him or even scare him away. You kite him to safety, you can't really kite most bruisers to the point of killing them. Your goal is to get them to give up. :<

I'm sorry to say this guys, but no one cares what pure normals 1200 elo players have to say about balance.

Isn't Kayle 450IP?????
Porblem solved.

the only thing i would nerf is his silence... he silence u and spins... gg nothing to do, just die.