Veigar deemed top Black Mage wannabe for the 4thd year in a row, and has initiated a bounty for Twitch for unknown reasons after a brief discussion with Shyvana. Details at 11.


In all seriousness though, what do people think about the patch's changes to Nasus and Veigar's non-itemized scaling? Will it do more to improve their viability? With Minion camps providing much better Siphon Strike scaling, will Nasus see potential within the Jungle?

Seems like Veigar has seen fairly consistent (if not a lot of) play regardless, and this feels like it'll only improve it. Nasus has been left in the dust, and, generally, I don't see it doing much to improve his laning, but it might be enough to get people to try jungling again, the main problem of course being that Wither is good... but it's no hard CC to gank with, and it's his only one.

Thoughts?

doesn't do **** for nasus

Not viable, what? Veigar has always been viable and just not popular. As for Nasus, I contend that most people play him incorrectly. He's a fairly potent ap bruiser, post-6. People focus on his innate sustain and q, so they think ad bruiser, but building him with an unholy grail, lich bane (or frozen fist), randuin's, and abyssal makes him reasonably tanky and makes his spirit fire cause havoc on the battlefield, with your siphoning strike being a nuke. (His ultimate gives him free ad based on how much damage its dealing to surrounding enemies, so the ap REALLY synergizes with his kit more than people realize. Also, free max % damage is great against hp stackers, they give you more power. ) You could also build him all out ap carry if you really needed to, but he's a more effective bruiser. Start with q, but max his spirit fire first. It deals 50% of its damage up front, making it a decent poke, and it makes you impossible to dive because you will destroy the minions so fast when they get in tower range that they'll get caught by the tower before hitting you (plus your r, plus your wither, plus your sustain on q, rofl).

True, I didn't mean to imply that Veigar was not viable (and mentioned that he still sees play albeit not popularly). But this could do a fair bit to improve his popularity (and, I feel, without making him overpowered or anything either).

I don't know that people really built him AD, so much as "Get Triforce, Build tanky." With a few situational items depending on how the specific game is going.

I will say that I've been more inclined to get Chalice on him, particularly since the new items hit the floor. You can't get too much AP to be effective on the Ult late game though, due to it's damage cap, but I could see a couple hundred being done. Mostly, I don't think Spirit Fire is worth it. 1.2 AP sounds good, but since you usually only get 70-80% barring a good hard engage...

It's AoE though. Hit more than one person for that 70-80%, and it's worth it. In an extended fight, you can wither someone into all of it with your r going, and then siphon them for some pretty nice damage. And yeah, the damage cap is like 240. I don't know why it's that low (probably to control the ad growth), but eh. Having a decent ratio is good for either high resist champs or low hp champs.

Veigar's always been good. (He's my main upon mains. XD)
As for Nasus, I don't own him. However he does sound fun as an AP Bruiser, cough.

they just buffed viegar and DFG in the same patch. Nerf incoming

THe reason Nasus is left in the dust is because in order to be effective he needs to be top lane to get proper farm. Problem is, there is a metric ton of commonly played, powerful top laners that completely destroy him. He has a terrible meta right now.

Nasus was designed as one of the original beta heroes, wayyy before the current solo top lane meta had evolved. He cannot compete with the Garens or Darius's that exist in modern LoL.

He needs a rework because there is no place for him right now.

garen he cant do jack to but darius he can farm all day on him.

Garen has existed for pretty damn long too, y'know.

And Nasus CAN compete with Garen and Darius when done right.