Originally Posted by alcapowned
Lets dissect your argument...
a) Twitchs deadly poison requires 6 attacks to get it to become a full stack and even then only does 36 damage per second(max stack) for i believe 5 seconds at max level... This is not NEARLY as much as a champion regular ability(Nunu's snowball , Overload, Parley, Powerball... Basically every nuke)
b) Debilitating Poison is meant to work in the sense that it takes stacks of poison for it to become a powerful slow. If you are moving faster than Twitch can follow , then it becomes hard for him to slow you. If you are running at the same speed as Twitch , Twitch can only get 1 stack of poison , which results in a 30% slow... If you were suprised by Twitch and he was right under you... Most heros can kill Twitch 1v1 unless you were low hp(or he was fed). If you were low hp.. you deserved to die for not noticing MIA's and staying in the lane
c) Targeting a spell(excluding skill shots such as Ashe's ultimate or Morganas snare) isnt really difficult if your not a complete ******. It also only does 150+60x , where x is the amount of poison stacks. This amounts to a maximum of 510 damage if you have max stacks., then it is subjected to magic resistance which lowers it even more. 510 damage is not even close to what most normal champions can nuke for(instantly, not requiring 6 attacks)
d) Twitch has the lowest survivability(hp/mr/armour) in the game. Stealth is the only means in which he can survive and truly assasinate people. Taking away his stealth would make him nearly impossible to play.
E) Not seeing a problem... You can dodge the ultimate by moving diagonally away or to Twitch... Learn tostrafe and stop right clicking on enemy champions as the primary means to attack.
f) Being able to see Twitch in stealth means you can move back and not die. It also means you know he is there , so you can play more conservatively... not chase enemy champions. It also means you and your teammate can conduct a gank and kill him , because he doesnt know you can see him.
g) There is a backdoor mechanic that makes towers extremely strong to backdoor attacks. It would take a mid geared Twitch 5 or some ultimates to completely backdoor a tower... Also... In the time Twitch isnt helping his team with his ultimate , you can just roll through his base.
P.S. the arguement that he is squishy is silly. as you and I know having played him myself you can just buy a warmongs or another health item and get around that. I mean he farms like a machine any way not like its hard to get money with him. His only weakness is CC but that's every ones weakness ('cept pirate ofc)
WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU HERE?
Twitch has the lowest hp/armour/magic resist in the game... "AS you and I know" is a ****ing poorly pathetic arguement. Also why the **** on earth would you get a Warmogs. Warmogs is hp and regen... Trying to play Twitch so ******ed. It completely destroys his dps and farming potential by giving him lots of hp. Twitch doesn't even have tank abilities. If you wanted to tank , at least get Banshee's Veil , because that has some reasoning behind it.
Also... He "farms like a machine" because he is ranged and has invis? Tons of heroes are ranged , so only his invis poses a problem. There are these nice items called Oracle Elixirs and Vision Wards. Pitching a bit of gold to be able to disrupt Twitchs farming, aswell as his kills(he needs element of suprise, or he needs to gank) is worth WAY more then 150gold. Also , not dying to a Twitch gank is > 150gold.
"His only weakness is CC" but thats everyones weakness? Erm no... not quite... All people are susceptible to CCs... But often most heroes have a good amount of base hp + hp gain to survive crowd controls. Twitch does not, if he leaves his stealth , and gets disabled , he is most likely dead before he can shift back into stealth. If you observe Twitchs hp compared to other champions(Dps ones like Ashe or Yi) you'll notice a HUGE gap in health points(excluding items)
first off read the line that says "I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THAT" as you may have noticed I dont care that he can kill people with stealth attacks. thats what makes him an assassin and they can leave all that stuff in as far as i'm concerned. but a few points here:
A) is a reference to how powerful a passive/inate it is. is prolly most useful of all the innate skills that heroes have.
B) I know how debilitating poison works and it does slow alot. If you are having a problem putting 3 or more stacks of venom on champion after you come out of stealth then maybe you shouldnt bother responding like your some kind of Twitch authority. and avoiding stacks of poison when facing twitch (unstealthed) is like saying dont fight him at all and leave him alone.
C) targeting is not in reference to its "difficulty" its in reference to the fact that you dont have to break attacking to cast it and will still hit them even if the ran around a corner or into brush. unlike nunu, annie, etc... where they have to see you, be in range, and break attack (stop) for cast animation
D) i didnt say take away his stealth. I said it wouldnt affect how i play him. I could easily go the whole game without stealthing if it didnt take away his attack speed buff. It's prolly best in the future to read the whole thing instead of nitpicking and trying to find some thing to argue about.
E) I never said there was any problem. I was merely stating that hes longest range in the game. and the ease of which he can shrug off any minions that would come to bother him while attacking heroes.
F) i was merely stating that "seeing" twitch doesnt really do anything. if you flop down a ward he will see you do it and act accordingly if hes decent. if you have oracle he can still gank you since champion sight is about the same as twitched attack range.
but like i said I dont care about any of the above metioned things and i think they are all fine. its fits his play style and makes him unique. the only exception is him being able to backdoor with out any feasible way to stop it.
G) 4 evenly geared heroes can easily hold off all 5 of other team if they defending by a tower. He can sneak around all he wants and kill your towers ,with his super range, while other team is either stifled by the other 4 heroes or just out doing anything else. if they are gonna leave this cheap exploit in game then inhibitor tower's should regen making you have to put them under constant pressure. As far as i know the only mechanic in place is the fact that the other towers in front of it in lane have to be destoyed first. And i'll restate i'm not saying take away his range ultimate or what ever, I'm saying make his ultimate not hit towers like 99% of every one else abilities.
buying a warmong or another health item is in reference to his squishyness. not meaning tank him out but to alievate his inability to take hits. you cant have a infinty edge and bloodtirster AND warmongs? and you dont have to be a D-bag about it by saying what the **** is wrong with you. you coulda just looked to the obvious meaning instead of picking some off the wall idea that was obviously not its intention.
he farms like a machine refers to the ease of which he can get last hits on creeps with out even trying. poison will kill them when you arent even watching i.e. you can just area attack and get over half the kills if you solo with out having to pay attention to last hitting. also can easily stack up poison on nuetral creeps and kill them rather quickly.
every ones weakness is CC *fact* him not having as good as HP growth as other heroes does not make him any more suceptible to CC than anyone else. to be honest he has stealth so he maybe slightly less effected by CC since he can stealth and sit invisible while stunned if he got far enough away.