Hey all, this is Tortferngatr, resident mid-elo Dominion and TT enthusiast. Looking at the patch, I've decided to go through and give feedback and questions about interesting changes within the patch specific to Dominion. Any Reds besides Nome visiting should feel free to comment, make them welcome and keep the discussion civil!

(...Well, besides Sauron, but he can't help having legions of rowdy orcs and Trundle players behind him. :P)

Bolded questions are questions I would really like Red input on.
Italics indicate questions the high elo community ought to look more closely at.

Before we start, here's a list of patch notes that aren't included due to having minimal relevance to Dominion (and I mean nigh-absolute irrelevance):
-Anivia easter egg
-Janna autoattack
-Yi bugfix
-Morgana bugfix
-Ziggs bugfix
-Ward-related QoL
-Shen Bot (hahahahahahahahahahahaha)
-Item shop changes
-Spirit of the Spectral Wraith changes
-Shurelya's Reverie (who in their right mind stacks these on the same champ?)
-Ohmwrecker
-Minimap Teleport versus Minimap Recall.
-Chat system changes
-Nami's jungle creep bugfix
-Camera changes
-Autoattack range display
-Muramana bugs on Karthus, Kog, and Zyra
-Rabadabadoodon's Deathcap buffs
-Leagues System

And discussions that I'm adding related to things that are NOT Dominion-related, but offer interesting discussions with regards to the "analogues" Dominion has to them:
-BoRK buffs (versus Kitae's Bloodrazor)
-Liandry's changes (versus Blackfire Torch and the CDR changes)

This seems like a REALLY nice QoL change for Akali to make her more accessible to most players.

While it isn't too big a change for high-level players, I'd like to see what the lower echelons of the Dominion community have to say about it--think we'll be seeing more kama flourished on the Crystal Scar?

Think this will affect his bot lane at all?

Hmm. While Nami isn't exactly a high tier player anyway, it's still a nice little advantage in conjunction with her natural ability to boost movement speed. Will this make her a bit more slippery and give her a way to stand out over Lulu and Janna, or is it a pipe dream from a guy who likes playing decent-damage supports?

The main thing I'm sensing about this change is that if Nasus had mana issues bot, he doesn't have them anymore. I'm actually wondering if he could avoid building mana altogether on Dominion now. That being said, the crit bug got removed. Aaaaaaargh, that was awesome! Thoughts on how Nasus will do now?

...Should I remove these, or can we actually get meaningful discussion from them?

To be added. Still, lots of interesting changes--any thoughts?

Is anyone going to miss the (surprisingly underwhelming) Revive-cooldown passive? What about the Heal and Clairvoyance effects--does that make it possibly worth buying on a Clairvoyance user on Dominion?

These are interesting items, which lead me to some points about the items' Dominion counterparts Blackfire Torch and Kitae's Bloodrazor.

First off, Blackfire Torch.

I've noticed that as an item, BFT feels much more awkward on sustained-damage mages than on poke mages, unlike Liandry's.

For one: BFT's charge system really feels weaker for continuous damage output than Liandry's Torment. Liandry's offers almost better average dps at half the cost (and much less annoyance with regards to stepping on Teemo shrooms at low health.)

Additionally, with all the CDR changes, is the itemization gap that BFT filled still relevant? Its gameplay niche seems like one Liandry's could easily fill--do you guys agree with that? Would you think it a good idea for BFT be removed and replaced by Liandry's? Could BFT's passive be replaced by Liandry's, but maintain its CDR and higher AP?

Secondly, Kitae's Bloodrazor.

This is an item I really question the continued existence of in the game. It's a worse version of Season 2 Madred's Bloodrazor.

Any comments?

I'd like to see how the entire community's experiences change with this patch--once you all have played with it a while, should Dominion keep it or pitch it?

[quote=Miscellaneous]

• Knockups now function more consistently and should fail less frequently when close to walls
• Muting a player will no longer mute his map pings; map pings have been throttled to prevent spam
• Boots of Mobility will now show a cooldown for their passive effect
• Dragon and Baron kill callouts should now display assists

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Any final comments?

See you next patch! (and whenever I get around to updating and commenting on the changes I didn't have time to make.)

I'm bored, so I'll add a few comments.

Akali - This is great, as Akali currently required her own mastery page (not a big deal) and rune page (this was a pain). It's nice they finally realized that Akali being the only champion in the game that needs her own rune page didn't make any real sense. I may actually use her from time to time again.

Nami - That's not going to do anything. She needs some major changes to her passive and E in particular. I mean take Nami's E and compare it to Janna or Lulu's E. Doesn't even come close to being at par. The 3 attack limitation in particular is stupid; if it doesn't give any defensive bonus it should at least be the better damage buff. It isn't. Also her passive is barely noticable. Needs more speed or a longer duration.

Nasus - Won't change him much on Dominion. It's Nasus' W and E that eat his mana supply, and frankly the reasons you'd ever want to play him over any other bruiser. The ult buffs will help a little, but generally speaking you ulted with Nasus when you were in the other guys face already. Though I guess it helps him pick off runners with his E better. Honestly Riot really just needs to remove the 'power-up Q' mechanic and just make Q useful all the time. I don't care if they copy-paste Wukong's Q, he frankly needs something like that.

CDR changes - I am not a fan of the changes, but then I mainly play tanks and support mages. This actually makes it harder to hit exactly 40% (or 39% in most cases) on many champions now that there is only one 15% CDR item in the game. IG definitely needed the ranged nerf, but I wish they would have left the CDR on GS/IG alone. I don't know, I guess I'll have to give up my boot slot for CDR boots more often now. 9/0/21 masteries just isn't an option for...well anyone not named Ryze or Singed really.

Eleisa's Miracle - It's great for ARAM now, and that's quite about it.

Executioner's Calling - Not even close to good enough. Replacing the derpy on-hit effect with the old active again would be a start. Actually, if they insist on leaving it AD/crit why not have it be part of IE? Would give it an upgrade path, and would make IE feel less weak while putting it together.

Wit's End - Meh, might start buying it on some champions again.


Grand Summary of changes for Dominion - Kassadin is unaffected by all these changes.

Based on what I've seen, it seems like Akali is gaining popularity on SR. I expect her to be nerfed in a few patches, perhaps even the patch after this one. I doubt this change will make her strong on Dominion, though.

Zeke's Herald might be a really good options on supports, now. It might also be a decent option for some tanky bruisers, such as Jarvan IV.

The Spirit Visage buff might make Yorick even stronger. I don't like that.

Iceborn Gauntlet giving 10% CDR makes it a lot less appealing now, since you could get 20% CDR for a similiar cost if you got Frozen Heart instead. I suspect it might still be a good option if you want the slow or the Sheen proc, or if you don't need 20% CDR.

The Iceborne nerf was nowhere near as punishing as I expected. The CDR on BFT is a key part of the item, I would certainly not rather have Liandry's in that slot.

The Athene's change might be the final nail in the coffin of Morellonomicon.

Outside of ARAM, where I still buy it.

Especially on Brand. Dat continuous Grievous Wounds.

Yeah I don't like the boots now - they removed all 15% cdr items so now the boots match up with ... exactly nothing!

There are no changes made to Kassadin. Nothing.

I mean, really?

i would be happy with even a quick blurb "we are aware of the Kassadin issue in dominion and we haven't worked out a solution yet." I mean they took a ton of time to work out how stealth could work for eve and twitch and I was happy to wait as long as they were letting us know they were trying.

Not to be sounding bitter or nothing...but are you new to the Dominion forums?

Nasus is still going to have mana issues if he doesn't build any. The cooldown of SS is long at low levels, which made most of his mana loss come from Spirit Fire and Wither. It's just too easy to force Nasus to blow his spells and waste mana...

The increased spell range is basically meaningless. His spells have massive range already, and if the enemy is far enough away for that to matter then they aren't taking ult damage, so he's not necessarily better off (maybe he could catch up if they don't have tenacity, but anyone not building tenacity vs Nasus is a tard).

The crit thing is annoying, but I'm not sure how long that "bug" has been in effect. I have a feeling it was since forever which would make this an overall nerf for Nasus. The nice thing is the increased autoattack range while ulting, which will make it easier to micro around the enemy while getting every SS in.