Originally Posted by workthecorners
1 His "cleanse" is also his only inniation
2 He lacks ANY cc so starting fights (thats usually the tanks job) is left to someone else
3 If he DOES start a fight (dive into the other team) agienst a compatiant team they will go right by him and kill his squishies
-by the time he kills your ashe his team will be dead
hard cc (taric chogath janna are some supports) that can stop him in his tracks
<and i say supports because the rest of your team can dive theirs>
Basically dont let him get fed...yes he is a good tank but he has no teamfight presence besides spinning in the middle of your team
this is why he is almost never played by the pros
1 How many champs have more than one initiation?
2 Silence isn't CC?
3 True of any ad bruiser/off tank
Your points are true of AD Bruisers/ Off tanks in general. Garen is slightly OP atm. His sustain is crazy especially in a meta where health is so cost efficient. Plus he does INSANE damage without building anything at all. His E increases damage scaling as you level it. He does too much damage to ignore and he's too tanky to focus.