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darklight5 ?? Member
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02-28-2013

but it's not useless? if they have a strong ad team with a wrecking ADC, get it, the damage returned hurts regardless even if you have lifesteal. Remember, the calculations are done pre mitigation, wheres lifesteal is post. So it takes over 30% lifesteal without any armor to cancel it. Can't count how many times i've been an adc with lifesteal and accidentally died from thornmail. It's just a rare counter item.

 
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Mynx The Origin ?? Senior Member
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02-28-2013

As per my statement with my Yi build. Even with all that lifesteal, that's still very minimal sustain against this great armor item.

 
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02-28-2013

The problem with your theory is that you're basing it against one of the least viable champions in the game

 
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02-28-2013

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Originally Posted by JustMyBassCannon View Post
The problem with those three suggestions is that they look like they're geared towards reducing Lifesteal less than Thornmail already does. Unless you're suggesting having those effects concurrent with the damage return, in which case you'd be giving too much power to a cheap item.
I did mean concurrent, I probably should have specified that. And of course the price would change as necessary.

But, better idea I had in another thread now.

As was said before, Frozen Heart and Randuins Omen are already, mostly, great anti ad carry items without the limitations of thornmail. By giving a percentage reduction of attack speed, they directly affects ad carry damage that way. So why not tailor it more towards a role unfilled, countering other ad's directly?

Current passive gets changed to:
Unique Passive: 10-15% physical damage received is reflected as magic damage.

This counters assassins and ad casters instead, giving it its own role. We don't need three items that mostly focus down ad carries, while only having old thornmail sort of affect others.
And then, if desired as an added bonus, for a bit more cost, you have what I suggested before hand:
Unique Passive: Life Steal has half effect on you.
This here basically continues thornmail's theme of "Punishment for hitting me", as instead of directly dealing more damage it greatly reduces the healing of carries / assassins who attack you, therefore not completely destroying its viability against a fed adc. Of course this number could be reduced to 30% reduction, or it could just be left out completely, but its a decent idea.

 
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phromic ?? Member
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02-28-2013

i do not think it is a bad item l . it is just there are much better items to get besides thornmail . that in the long run are much better. everyone auto attacks at some point . so it not completely useless , but are you really worried about nami auto attack i think that it should build into something like they did with haunting guise , or give it a active ... like a shield ,promote, a health regen charge with a cooldown .... i don't know it just needs something else .