I'm a Bronze IV and I've been encouraged to ignore the term "Elo Hell" and just play and constantly try to improve myself. I've accepted that.

I'm am an encouraging player, I try to support my team even if it's just some calming words, praise or advice. I don't rage at their mistakes, no one plays better when they feel bad or angry!

On that note I like to jungle initiate champs... like Vi or Xin.

I know it's my job to initiate team fights and I know it's my job to get to the carry and try to shut it down rather I kill it or make it run away.

I usually wait for the AD or the AP to get a little greedy and step out of line and then go...

Most of the time there is a lack of team coordination in bronze IV and although I get on the Carry and blast em down low I'm always bursted down very quickly by the entire enemy team...

In the end I end up feeding the enemy team a kill on almost every encounter... Sometimes my team cleans up properly but I feel like most of the time that first enemy team kill scares my team off... especially when the bad guys drop a tanky champ rather quickly.

Logic suggests... stop doing this I'm just feeding the enemy team kills! But then I wouldn't be playing my role... or would I?

What do you do in these situations? I do talk to my teams, they don't ALWAYS listen and they aren't ALWAYS going to... So what do I do when we can't seem to get coordinated? I still wana help my team win without feeding kills if we are scared or too uncoordinated to team fight.

A good jungle can make or break a team, I want to do what I can where I can no matter the situation.

Hey Jonny. I'm not ranked yet, I'm lvl 16 and still learning the game and the roles, so I can't offer any help, but I'm in the same boat (well even more so).

I've done okay so far learning Support, tanking and ADC, but jungling seems like one of the more difficult roles since it seems to be all about positioning (which is something I struggle with, I generally just stay in my lane untill the teamfight phase begins, or if say I'm ADC and near the river and the opponents in my lane are missing and our jungler is chasing someone down the river, I'll move to help intercept)

I've read a few guides and get the jist of the basics, one even says what order to kill the jungle minions in,but I almost never get a chance to be the jungler (several times I've called it in the select screen and chosen someone like Kha'zix, only to have once the game begins someone who usually goes mid like Annie or Anivia or Morgana go top with the tank and force me mid, which is always extremely awkward. XD )

tl;dr: I too want to learn jungler and would like any tips or advice anyone could offer, especially for positioning, but right now Kha'zix is the only champ I own who is a 'real (ish)' jungler.

Adapt to the situation. If it becomes obvious that your team can't follow up, stop initiating that way, and try to catch someone out. At a certain point, you'll be behind enough that you can't expect to win teamfights - especially if you and your auras go down first. Play safe, farm up, and wait for an opportunity.

One thing I do like to do as an initiator is buy Captain boots. If you don't need Homeguards, Captains can help your initiation by allowing your team to follow up more quickly when you go balls deep.

Another thing you can do, if you've noticed that your initiation is getting jumped on and killed quickly, is switch up your build path. Focus less on damage and auras, and more on straight tankiness - Warmog's, Randuin's, Spirit Visage, Sunfire, etc.

If you're not being focused, then you can do your job as an assassin better - pick up damage items to destroy your targets faster. You can also go with Auras and Actives like Randuin's, Bulwark, Locket, or Shurelia's. Shurelia's also lets you initiate more quickly, and speeds up your whole team to follow, and can be used for disengages as well.

Hope this helps.

@ Awanderingflame- Level 16 is a tad early to start successfully jungling. Here's why:

-You're runes and masteries are far too weak to give you a healthy start.
-Your team has very little experience on how to lane with a jungle in place, baits, follow ups, ect...
-Your top lane is almost always going to get 2v1, and struggle.

You will start seeing enemy junglers more often in the 20's once greater runes are available and people have more experience in general.

This doesn't mean you shouldn't practice. Even in bot games you can practice paths, builds, watching the entire map looking for opportunities ect... And it's casual, it's fairly impossible to loose even the 4v5 while you practice allowing you to take your time and think it out.

Eventually it will get comfortable and you can bring it in to your PvP games! I started trying to jungle in bot games around level 15 and I didn't bring it into PvP until around lv 24 or so. Even then you're going to queue up and the other 4 guys all want top... sometimes you just can't jungle if you're team's not ready for it.

@Sereg Anfaug Captain boots thanks I'll look into that and on builds in general. I do generally build situationally tanky in general because I'm the one diving in. Yet sometimes I get to that ADC with a Warmogs, and a Bulwark and no damage and they just lifesteal it all back. I'll rush that Cleaver or Lizard Elder only if I get fed early. But I get it... If I'm focused tank... if I'm not Kill!

Also I usually do just try to farm up hard, push out lanes, or backdoor a favorable situation on the map if the tilt goes in the enemy favor then the team is screaming at me... "Why aren't you helping us?" It makes them angry or frustrated and then we know general play goes down hill. Do I continue to ignore their anger and stay objective focused?

A small jungle mechanics cheat sheet that I made:
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-le...cess-by-297304

Gotta ignore it and just play. It's hard sometimes, but you can't win if you all start arguing and blaming. Sometimes, you can recover, because if you don't argue back, the typing will die down and people will actually focus on the game, and sometimes you can't - had a Rammus game recently where I fell far behind due to successful counterganks from the enemy jungler, and I basically became the scapegoat for the entire team. I focused on playing, but with everyone else busy hurling insults, and me as behind as I was, we simply couldn't come back.

Even if you can't win the game, though, remaining civil and keeping quiet when you want to retaliate will at least keep you out of the Tribunal, and it may end up being enough to turn the game back in your favor.

As a jungler, you're the most obvious target to blame, and if you want to main that role, you've got to get used to that and learn not to respond and stay focused, whether its early game when everyone is losing lane and needs your help simultaneously, or lategame when teamfights rely on your initiation and crowd control or assassination abilities. Lots of excuses for people to blame you - whether you misplay or not.

I suppose it's the same as any other deficiency in a team - whether it's lack of mechanical skill, lack of map awareness, lack of objective prioritization or team fight focus, or lack of teamwork and a predisposition to raging, it's a detriment to winning, and one you'll have to overcome.

Thank you all for the good advice