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Vox Burakkuhoru ?? Senior Member
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03-04-2013

Why don't they make the cooldown on Zed's Q go down when you level it up?
Why doesn't his E cost less energy when it's leveled up?

Why don't they at least try it out in the BPE?


The way I see it, Zed is only getting picked a lot because he's fun as ****, not because he's a good champ. Sure, if you play him well you'll find yourself doing great things, but that's because of your skill, not because of the champ. This champ does allow one to express their skill level at the game more upfront than most champs, but once you fight people of the same skill you soon understand that Zed isn't that great late game. His poke before a team fight leads him having nothing during the team fight itself, unable to use skills after a simple poke, or unable to do your full damage in a team fight after poking with one of your skills. This is due to energy most of the time, not cooldowns.


If you wanted to remove the skill factor from Zed, you could just have it so his energy is refunded and his cooldowns are returned when he ults, but I don't want that, no one does.

However, if, at late game, his energy costs were lowered on his E and the cooldown of his Q was deducted throughout the game, then I can see this being a great thing.

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This is another, more skill based and fun alternative.

Zed's Q has a high cool down compared to it's cost and damage, And the fact that it's damage is not that great, it makes you dependent on combos that run you dry. So, why don't they simply increase the Shuriken's base damage late game, or it's ratio goes up when he levels it.

Lastly his E doesn't do a lot of single target damage unless you combo it as well. Zed is a combo relient champ when it comes to damage, but doesn't have the ability to finish a combo.

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Another alternative would be to make his W give him more energy when he lands a second Q or E. Also allow the third Q with his ult give hime extra energy as well. This will encourage those "Cool Guys don't look back at explosions" after landing a tripple Q.

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The most badass alternative

After you land a tripple Q on a single target, you get your W off cooldown along with energy to perform it. This will make the High risk High Reward chamber so much more rewarding for it's high risk, and encourage it to a high degree of skill and game play.

 
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infinity2quared ?? Recruiter
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03-04-2013

I agree, Zed's late game is trash.

I've laned against him multiple times with Akali and Kat where he completely shut me down early game. I'm talking deaths and a handful of cs. But once I worked my way up to lvl 9 or 10, I start killing him. No matter how fed and built up he is, and underfed Akali outscales him.

His shadow does give great early game zoning potential though. I think that, were his late game not such trash, his early game would be overpowered. So a rebalancing would require more than just a buff to his ratios.

 
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Thief of Space ?? Senior Member
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03-04-2013

They just buffed Zed's Q damage a bit but for some reason nerfed his spin slash. He does need to have less costs on his abilities because he goes OOE so fast after 1 combo.

 
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War4Ever ?? Senior Member
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03-04-2013

Wtf are you guys talking about his late game dmg is absolutely insane I don't know what you guys have been building, or what the Zed's you face have been building but you're just flat out wrong if you think his late game needs work, it's really quite good. He can gib any squishy target on the enemy team, and often escape quite easily to. Hell he can gib just about anyone that isn't a pure tank late game if he has his items.

 
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RamserX ?? Senior Member
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03-04-2013

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Originally Posted by War4Ever View Post
Wtf are you guys talking about his late game dmg is absolutely insane.
his late game damage is fine, his late game energy management is complete ****, he could use a small energy cost reduction on one of his skills as it scales

 
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Thubgar ?? Senior Member
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03-04-2013

zed sports some really good poke. that tends to come with heavy trade-offs.

 
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TidesOfLogan ?? Senior Member
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03-04-2013

Zed has the highest single target burst damage in the game lategame...lol. I've had my mark hit for upwards of 1500 damage on targets, and his W passive allows him to potentially the highest AD in the game.

 
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draydurmil ?? Senior Member
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03-04-2013

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Zed has the highest single target burst damage in the game lategame...lol. I've had my mark hit for upwards of 1500 damage on targets, and his W passive allows him to potentially the highest AD in the game.
quick silver sash/hr glass nulls your ulti dmg. high burst what?

 
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Yuan Shikai ?? Senior Member
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03-04-2013

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quick silver sash/hr glass nulls your ulti dmg. high burst what?

And then you realize that you can just ult a target that has neither and every enemy who has a QSS just spent 1500 damage jsut to nullify your chances of ulting him without actually decreasing your physical damage.

 
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TealNinje ?? Senior Member
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03-04-2013

I find Zed's late game to be disgusting, especially his splitpush potential. Because he can kill just about anyone on his own, and escape just about anyone on his own, it takes at least 2 to deal with him.

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