This is a problem with the players, not the champion.

You're probably running into a lot of carry kiddies who thought Thresh looked like the perfect excuse for them to build (and play) like an AP carry, even if they were left with the support role at select chat.

It will pass. Soon, Thresh will be seen as a sidegrade to Blitz, and people will likewise almost always play him killer support bot.

I realize its the players and not the champion but the Champion inspires such behavior. I.e.

The last Thresh I was with was building AD because of that passive effect.

To introduce a support that undermines the fluidity of being an ADC to me, is taking a step in the wrong direction. I wouldnt want to lane with a Soraka that maxes Q first and steals CS from me. Just as I wouldn't want to lane with a Thresh that wants to build AD because a passive that gives that incentive.

Thresh himself I think is beautiful; Slow wall AOE, Dark Passage is amazing. Flay I don't so much care about but who cares about my opinion on that. Then the Death Sentence active is a great way for him to disable or initiate by pulling himself to the enemy then activating ultimate.

I dont have a problem with the Champion. I have a problem with the soul system and the passive increasing his damage on auto-attacks and benefiting from AD. They tried to throw to much in this package and all they did was inspire people to but AD items to try to max that effect.

He is in essence a cool looking champion as a support that players who dislike support roles will buy because they like his looks and try to play him in any manor that is not a support role.

The players undermine it. Not the champion. Stop placing blame on the champion. Its not Thresh's fault he keeps getting played by stupid sods.

I only suggest to remove the Auto-Attack bonus and the AD scale of the Death Sentence to something more reasonable or make the Auto-Attack bonus only apply to Champions.

Eh, played a couple games as Thresh.

Never once have I stolen a kill, and in the last game I took all of 3 minions (One by accident) from the ADC. I also built like a proper support,but that's neither here nor there.

So it's a player problem, as others have said. His auto-attack passive is practically necessary to of any use in a team fight, or to fight off minions if absolutely necessary. So meh.

As a player who plays Thresh as a support role I salute you and I respect that. What would be your opinion on buffing the damage of Flay and removing the AD effect off Death Sentence? Flay would give you the ability to fight off minions if absolutely necessary. ( I am not suggesting to make Thresh weaker or stronger, just simply re-prioritizing the build incentive away from Death Sentence AD passive)

I do believe I have come off wrong or portrayed the wrong idea. I would LOVE to play with a Thresh like you, however every Thresh as of yet is not like you.

K, so lets remove nautilus, blitz, and a few others while we are at it shall we. Thresh is very easy to counter in combat and hard to get last kills unless you are stacking atk spd.

I fail to see the issue here. People play all kinds of champs different ways. It sounds like you are upset over ksing in a team based game. My suggestion, get better at last hitting.

One way is remove the AD and probably just have it as straight souls but at a slightly higher scale (And by slightly higher I mean 1.25 points of damage for each soul, if even that) to make up the pure damage difference of it, while not actually making it abusive if you build straight AD.

Or have it scale off of AP, but then Malady builds will be predominant.

Really I'm not much a fan of either, as I don't think they really get at the core of the problem really, and that's just bad teammates.

Frankly one of the things that annoys me about going ADC is that half the time I'm stuck with a support who goes for cs. And then they get all pissy when we get outlaned, even though my creep kills are much lower than the other guy's.

It really comes with the territory of knowing what the role of a support is. It's not to go in and KILL KILL KILL WE WIN ZE LANE LOL. And unfortunately some people just don't get that.

Its not about his strength. I do not fear going AGAINST a Thresh who builds AD; quite the opposite. I welcome a enemy support that steals CS from their ADC and ruins the flow for them.

As an ADC you have to have map awareness, minion placement and life, you have to focus on last hitting minions and angles where the enemy support can get a spell through and your enemy adc can get spells through; where you have to get spells through and quickly cover so you can poke without receiving the counter poke. While also keeping an eye out for your Support. I.e. watch for Leona E's so you can assist.

With everything you have to watch; add a Thresh who wants to try to CS so you have to watch what he hits; try to counter hit it at the right time, hoping that he doesn't get it. Then your lane gets pushed more from 2 people CS'ing, nearly impossible to freeze the lane at the points you wish because the Support wants to keep hitting things. Leaves you open to ganks... Its another JOB to do. I don't wish to have supports ADD work, I wish for them to assist and relieve the constant pressure of it.