Originally Posted by Alame

Kindly examine the attached screenshot. (Yes, I know I've lost a lot of elo. I don't want to hear it.)

I'm sure you could guess this without me saying so, but Dr. Mundo and Evelyn were a duo queue.

Now, I have no doubt that those players are in the elo where they belong. (okay, I lied. They aren't. But that's not the point.) My issue here is the Urgot. 1700 ranked player being matched up with 1500s. That kind of elo discrepancy is unacceptable. This is not the result of a well-considered and well-balanced matchmaking system.

The highest elo on our team (1603. approx 1615 pre-loss) compared with their lowest on thiers (1481. approx 1469 pre-win) yields a deviation of 146 points. That's pushing it.

The highest elo on their team (1733. approx 1718 pre-win) compared with their lowest on ours (1509. approx 1521 pre-loss) yields a deviation of 212 points. That's absurd.

Teams of similar skill should have a deviation of ~50 points of each other. In my experience, everyone who have similar skill levels have true elos within 50 points of each other. So, using that as a benchmark, Urgot and Mundo had 4 times the standard skill deviation.

So our poor matchmaking system gets this duo queue. The system struggles to find 'even' teams. It finds two sets of 5 with similar average elos, pats itself on the back, and starts champion select.

In theory, that works. There are 3 'balancing elements' present within this game.

1. The Carry Effect: Urgot is considered skilled enough to carry his two high-1400 teammates. This effect was somewhat present.

2. The Duo Queue Effect: Evelyn and Mundo are assumed to have superior teamwork because they are a pair. They do have superior teamwork, in feeding. This element is not present.

3. The Feeder Effect: Amumu, as the 'least skilled' player in the game, is assumed to feed. Balancing out Urgot's 'high skill'. Amumu played very cautiously throughout the game. This effect was not present.

So duo queue has forced Matchmaking to accept wide elo discrepancies to match the pair together. That's okay, the 3 balancing elements are there! Jokes, 1/3.

I'm not here to tell you to remove duo queue, I'm not here to say your matchmaking is terrible. But in the pursuit of allowing friends to play together, you have given yourselves a challenge that you are unable to overcome. If two people with a medium to large elo difference queue together, the entire equilibrium of matchmaking goes to ****.

I propose a simple solution. Duo queue becomes limited to two summoners who's difference in solo queue elo is no more that 75 points. Simple, easy, effective.

Originally Posted by national

Alame,

Instead, how about simply increasing the queue times for people who duo queue with large deviations in rating? So for example, in your situation, the duo queue Eve and Mundo don't get matched against a 1700 + a bunch of lower guys. Instead, the have to sit in queue until another pair with similar Elo pairing is available to play against them. This will force them to wait longer in the hopes of not making bad matches like yours. Thus, they don't lose the opportunity to queue together just because they have an elo difference, but they are encouraged to be of similar elo when duo queueing else they have to wait a long time.