Originally Posted by ricklessabandon
you'll notice that he doesn't sell them/use the slots until about 12-13k gold into the game (which is when he first considers getting armor penetration), at which point they will have made him a small profit. so, if you plan on not contributing much for a very long game, they're actually a better deal since the passive will end up paying you to be an avarice stacking ******.
Ok let's do a mock scenario. Forgive me, as I'm not that nerdy into elo yet and I honestly don't pay attention to what times I buy what on average. So I'll make an educated guess for sake of argument. I'll throw in the extra 2% from masteries.
Around the 10 min mark, you blue pill back and buy an avarice and maybe some boots.
Around 20, you pill back and get 2 avarices.
Total avarice deduction: -2250g
10 min x 5g/10s: 300g
Crit chance: 36% +2%
Around the 30 min mark, you're starting to get your IE, and maybe a cloak depending on gameplay and ganks...but with only 38% (not counting runes) so it really is random without a great team or a stupid opponent.
10 min x 15g/10s: 900g
At 30 min, your 3 avarices have wielded 1200g and produce only 38% chance of crit. Assuming you get an IE at this point, you have 58% chance which is starting to get ideal. With a cloak, you got 76%.
Now assume at the 30 min mark, you sell those 3 avarice blades for....what's the profit, half? So 375x3
325g x 3: 1125g
At 30 min, you made a profit of 75g by selling all 3 avarice blades.
Now my way:
You start with buying the gloves for the 10% and get an avarice on the first pill back at say 10 min.
Around 20 min, you pill back and get 2 cloaks INSTEAD of 2 avarices.
Avarice and cloak deduction: -2510g
10 min x 5g/10s: 300g
Crit chance: 48%
For less the 300g, I got 12% more crit chance at the same point in time. More importantly, I won't be wasting any future gold as I will build the first avarice late game into ghostblade. I am already on my way to IE and Phantom way faster than the 3 avarice build. With my higher crit chance and getting that IE faster, I will get more ganks and assists and hence more gold from ganks and farming than the avarices will wield.
At 30 min, my one avarice has wielded 600g and I produce 50% chance of crit. Now because I didn't waste on the first 2 avarices, I should have enough for IE right now and a Phantom Dancer which gives me 50% + 2% (remaining gain for getting IE) + 12% (remaining gain for PD) which gives me 64% crit.
While his build at this point gives an advantage of having 12% more crit, my build already has the IE crit damage boost, massive move speed from PD, attack speed (not really needed, but 1v1 it will be unless you can kite like mad.) AND I'm already into my ghostblade build with the first avarice...I don't sell it and lose profit. So soon,I have arm pen, 15% CD reduction, and 3% more crit giving me 67% crit.
In the end, at about the same point it's his 76% to my 64% BUT given my being smart with money and building crit into later items instead of selling the avarices which won't build into anything he does, and given that I have better move speed, crit dmg, AS, AD...I will get more kills from farming and ganks thus getting my crit past his 76% faster while being more godly early game.
That was a lot of typing and math....if there are mistakes please point them out lol.
Now discuss. I'm only playing devil's advocate so we are clear. I'm still trying to figure out if his build is better...but on paper it's not looking that way.
Originally Posted by PineapplePine
I don't know, I'm not high elo or pro Gangplank player. But I do hate two things, 1 all I do is Parrrley once every whatever the cooldown is, or 2 I die because I try to "contibute" something more than a Parrrley. Yes yes I know Parrrley deals insane damage but someone told me that if you crunch the numbers out, the DPS ends up being nothing "special" compared to other hard physical DPS carries.
In other words, what I am saying is that you have like no survibility. If a Ryze catches you even with your Scurvy, you're toast unless you kill him first. This is definitely possible, so it can go both ways. Perhaps he is an amazing player such that a build with not so much survibility (other than movement speed) is totally fine.
So don't get caught...bad planks rush in. I've seen many good planks who go for kills the whole game and get them because they are smart. They have map awareness. They utilize the ulti and 1v1 or 1v2 and get the kills. Plank can melee late game with all his crit dmg and AS from PD. Just gotta be smart about it. In team battles, stay out of it. People will rail you for being fail and just parrrleying from afar but that is your job.
Team battle, you:
A- Raise morale
C- Stay back and parrrley unless someone goes astray giving you a chance to 1v1 them to death.