I don't care if you make it so we get 0 exp, it is seriously not fun to play a game 3 or 4 v 5 vs. a decent team. If someone leaves, the no-surrender timer needs to go away or get cut by 10 minutes. I am NOT having fun playing this game because of leavers already. It is very frustrating that your policy only lengthens the amount of time I'm not enjoying the game. Please fix this ASAP. Again, I don't care if I get 0 exp and 0 ip, I don't like playing games I have no chance of winning.

I'm not going to argue that it is impossible to win 4v5. I have won 4v5 before, but I've also been in several games where the players weren't bad and we had to go 4v5 or 3v5 and it was 25 minutes of some of the worst gameplay ever. (i.e., NOT FUN).

If we know we're up against a decent team, why should we be forced to play minus one player?

Surrender does need to get tweeked but it needs to get changed in the other direction. I'm tired of people surrendering before an inhibitor is even down. It's today's "I want it now society" You can't improve if your only willing to play games your going to win. Eventually you'll just end up quitting everything. People surrendering because they lost a few fights and not a single inner turret is down is just bs and it has implications on a morals level on top of it. There are plenty of champs that don't even get started till late game. I've won games where we had all 3 of our inhibitors down and they didn't even have turrets down. Bunch of dang babies learn to put some effort into something.

Completely agreed.

i agree with both of your arguments. The timer works well the way it is now, however, if a teammate leaves i do feel that a certin time(around 5 mins) should be shaved off the timer for each teammate that leaves.

See, I would say I actually disagree.

There are times when you know the other team is better and possibly better coordinated (all 5 are on Ventrilo) or the other team just works better, has less feeders, etc. All it takes to ruin 3 players' night is two guys voting no to surrender or waiting T-25 minutes before you can surrender.

Losing slowly isn't fun and neither is waiting. Make it so 3vs2 on a surrender vote wins and reduce surrender time to 15 minutes or even less with obviously lowered experience gain (or 0 exp). I'd rather sacrifice experience and play a game I'm enjoying than be forced to suffer through a fed team's inevitable annihilation of our team.

No offense, but I call BS on this and would love to see proof of this ever happening. 0 turrets on the other team down and all three of your inhibitors down yet you get a win? Maybe once in the history of LoL, but not multiple times and very not likely for anyone reading the forums right now. Perhaps a fed carry got to 18 and backdoored every turret but I still think you're completely making this up. It certainly hasn't happened more than once to any one person.

I think you have issues at a moral level. Some people are experienced enough to know when they're beat.

* People surrender in starcraft (GG)
* People surrender in chess

The NEVER SAY DIE attitude is not the only valid one mate. Sometimes I know when I'm up against good players who are working well, it's only a matter of time.

I think if someone drops within say 5 minutes there should be a vote option by the 4-man team if they want to cancel the match with no penalty to them. The guy who left should still be flagged as a leaver.

Note the above suggestion could be open to abuse.

Strongly feel that surrender should be moved to 15 minutes, and 3v2 should also win the vote. 3 is a majority, majority wins.