the only non baddie in here is gun fu panda. do not stack AP on fiddle rofl..

typical build I run

mana crystal + 2 health pots
catalyst
catalyst
lvl 1 boots
upgrade 1st catalyst to rod of ages
sorc boots
upgrade 2nd catalyst to banshee veil
void staff

game should be close to over by now but if not

rylai's can be good combined with the bouncing silence as it will also slow everyone

6th item depends on what you want, guardian angel is good on any character for those super long games or you can pick up abysmal sceptor if you have other casters on the team.

2 DoT spells vs 4 spells that you will use once in a teamfight? kinda different disaster.

and you really shouldnt stack AP on karthus or he looks underpowered as usual like most people think he is. he needs to be built as a tanky caster and get in the middle of the opposing team so defile hits for full damage on everyone. its a never ending crowstorm if used correctly.

for karthus
doran ring + hp pot to start
build rod of ages (sapphire --> catalyst --> rod)
build sorc boots
build archangel's staff(designed for karthus basically, you can max this in a couple minutes by just spamming whenever there isnt anything going on)
build banshee veil

6th item is dependent on the game, frozenheart/abysmal sceptor depending on if they are caster/DPS heavy

you will get all your items in every game basically as karthus farms so well

Most of these replies are silly.

Lichbane is clearly a waste at high level play. Any arguement thereof is not referencing high level play; thus less valuable because high leveled play encompasses a larger range of skill, technique and understanding of the game.



Fiddle's job is to get huge amounts of debuffs, and totally **** with the enemy team at the beginning of a team fight. Which there are many at high level Elos. A good Fiddle pretty much warranty's you a win if your team knows their up from down.


You cannot "wait in the bushes" to gank some straggler, because there are rarely stragglers at the levels of play; where lichbane is a total waste.





If you are playing such an incompetent team, that you can afford to auto-attack "in between" your casts, let alone space them out every 3 seconds. By all means get lichbane.


But enjoy it while it lats, beacuse being able to do that successfully won't last long, because you will probably be bumped out of that atrocious Elo after you win that match.


90% of the posts in here so far are incomplete.

"AP stacking Fiddle is great" When your enemies are ****ing stupid/incomptent.

Just because something works against stupid people, does not mean it's good. I've made Fiddle physical Attack Speed and did well against idiots. This does not mean it is a valid tactic beyond playing with idiots.



Choosing to stack AP over , Cooldown/Magic Resist Redux is LOLOLOL


Because stacking AP doesn't work against good players; you will be destroyed in the teamfight and have nothing to show for it. Because you didn't even debuff the enemy team.


For clarification I am referencing the "Who can bait and camp bushes the hardest" levels of play. Not "We all laned until level 16" levels of play.

My biggest question with Fiddle is the ideal starting items. I've seen rush boots, I've seen rush RoA, Now I've seen stack Catalysts.

I know, ideal you want RoA as early as possible, but a bootless fiddle Crow Storming into a team with all lvl2 boots can be a disaster.

Undecided with Doran's Ring, seems like a good idea, but Dark Wind's CD is long enough mana isn't really a problem spamming it, Fiddles gets enough range early that he shouldn't be harassed much so the heal doesn't feel necessary, and, as the rest of the thread points out, 10AP isn't doing much for you.

Pretty much the only AP item I get on Fiddle is Rylai's, and that's because it turns Dark Wind into an absolute beast of a spell in team fights since it will silence AND slow. The rest is all MRPen/CDR.