Well yeah but I mean like, the point is that you start to be able to figure out where they were based on smaller cues. Like first, you almost always know if their jungler started blue first cause his team comes from blue protecting him (assuming no level 1 fights). Also, 1 CV almost tells you everything about the jungler, assuming he isn't invading - if you cv red/wraiths at like 2:25 and don't catch him, and both are still up, he definitely went blue first and is a slow(er) jungler.

Just played some more. I keep noticing that even when I ult badly as long as I don't use it on myself the fights go in our favor. It's a really nice teaching tool

Bump this

what is CV?

Clairvoyance.

Zil bomb on a dying minion = unfortunate for melee champions. That is as close to a deny mechanism as we have now.