Originally Posted by Karl the Pagan

Thank you for your incredibly detailed proposal. We will consider this and other ideas for combating the leaver problem.

Please if you agree or disagree with this idea let us know what you think in this thread.

Originally Posted by Bane Wraith

....I don't understand. You desire a Second voluntary leave option, other than the Quitting one there already is? Maybe I missed something...?

Originally Posted by Umahr

Also, there should be an option to LOCK YOURSELF OUT. I may not want to leave, but if something dire comes up and I need to DC, I would like to be able to let my team have another player as soon as possible. Of course you will still be forbidden from joining new games until the one you quit finishes.

Originally Posted by Stexe

The idea has been suggested since the original beta. It has been shot down many times due to a variety of reasons -- primarily that someone who leaves a game is typically leaving because they rage quit because they were losing. Who would want to join a game where their team is losing?

Originally Posted by Stexe

Also, what if the player accidentally left and wants to come back?

Originally Posted by iBeeZy

The above list would probably prove to be the hardest thing to figure out on when the appropriate time to "let that person go" is. Being reasonable, I think there could at least be some guidelines that the system could check before giving that person "the boot" permanently from that game:

• If player has X Number of Reconnects = Lock Out
• If player has been disconnected for X Number of Minutes = Lock Out
• If player has been AFK for X Number of Minutes = Kick and Lock Out
• If player has been in X Size Radius for X Number of Minutes = Kick and Lock Out (This would be to keep players from going "AFK" but not receiving the leaver status. Basically moving or hitting space bar a few times every minute or so)
• If player has not performed an ability or attacked an enemy champion or minion in X Number of minutes = Kick and Lock Out (Another fail-safe for the latter reason)
• A ratio check on Games Player to Games Left. If the player has a higher than average ratio of games left, the system will be more inclined to kick and lock out earlier.

Originally Posted by Stexe

Finally, there is a number of tech issues with something like that. If leavers continue to be a problem after the Tribunal comes around full force, then I'd bring up the idea again. But right now I don't think this is the best use of Riot's time.

Originally Posted by iBeeZy

Four games in a row... four games--three of which were ranked games--had someone leave or rage quit a few minutes in.

Below I would like to propose an idea that isn't a solution to leavers, but it may make the situation that they put you in a little less disadvantageous:

The Problem:

Someone has just left your game. It could have been from the first moment or 30 minutes into the game. You are pissed. You seem to be doing fine, but you just can't seem to pull ahead with four players and you are starting to lose ground. Regardless, you probably won't win without your 5th.

The "Solution":

Introduce, as an option, the ability to join a game already in progress. This would be a player decision that they would choose (or not choose) at the queue selection.

The Whole Picture:

It would be the sole discretion of RIOT (obviously) to decide the method on how this would be detected and/or how long the person would have to be disconnected before permanently locking them out and allowing another player to take that spot. Obviously, there are a number of reasons that a person may disconnect from a game that does not involve malicious intent, such as:

• Connection or ISP issues
• Game client issues
• Power outtage
• Connectivity issues specific to PVP.NET
• An unfortunate event where they had to just leave

The above list would probably prove to be the hardest thing to figure out on when the appropriate time to "let that person go" is. Being reasonable, I think there could at least be some guidelines that the system could check before giving that person "the boot" permanently from that game:

• If player has X Number of Reconnects = Lock Out
• If player has been disconnected for X Number of Minutes = Lock Out
• If player has been AFK for X Number of Minutes = Kick and Lock Out
• If player has been in X Size Radius for X Number of Minutes = Kick and Lock Out (This would be to keep players from going "AFK" but not receiving the leaver status. Basically moving or hitting space bar a few times every minute or so)
• If player has not performed an ability or attacked an enemy champion or minion in X Number of minutes = Kick and Lock Out (Another fail-safe for the latter reason)
• A ratio check on Games Player to Games Left. If the player has a higher than average ratio of games left, the system will be more inclined to kick and lock out earlier.

The Inner-Workings:

This would be an opt-in feature. I believe that making this an option that you can tick and un-tick would be too difficult to program in. Mainly because:

1) Going into the settings to tick and un-tick this setting every time you wanted disable or enable the option is a repetitive and eventually annoying step.

2) Because of how quickly full games are found due to RIOT's player-base (average of ~28 seconds), I would guess that if you had the option enabled and built into a normal queue, the frequency in which you would find an game in progress may be slim.

I suggest that it is added to the Queue options after hitting play. That you have to make a conscious decision to either queue for a new game, or for one in progress. When a game is found you are presented with a prompt like the (poor) example attached to this thread (labeled lol.png). You are given a generous 3 minutes to decide in case you would like to re-spec your Summoner rune pages and masteries.

If you are the adventurous type, you can join the game blindly from the first prompt. Doing this, you are thrown into the game without changing your rune pages or masteries. The only information you get to see is what is on that prompt: Your team, their team and the score. You don't find out what champion you are playing until you hit the loading screen!

If you decide you would like to know more, you can hit the "View Details" button and you will receive one last prompt. It could look something like in the second attachment below (labeled lol2.png). From this screen you can see the champion you are playing, the gold you have, the game time, the K/D/A you are going to start at, what items you have and your current level.

EDIT: I forgot to include this, but I would have the Summoner Spells shown since you probably wouldn't be able to change those while entering a game in progress.

If you are not interested, skip it! If you are ready to go and don't need anything changed, go ahead and hit that Join Button! Want to join, but you need to re-spec? The middle option will allow you to change your masteries and rune pages during the amount of time you have remaining. Again, when this prompt pops up, you have 3 minutes to go through everything. This gives plenty of time to re over the game and change runes and masteries if needed.

I know this is a long post and thank you so much if you took the time to read it! I am just thinking of other ways to alleviate this issue. There are days when I have played for hours and was lucky enough to not encounter one person leaving the game. Alternately, I have also been in streaks where there has been someone that left or went AFK for like 4 games in a row... everyone knows it sucks.

I would love to hear any feed-back, constructive criticism, improvements and maybe even a Red response!

Let me know what you think!

-Ibeezy

Originally Posted by THE SILENCEZED

what if a new player joins the existing game and the old player was stuck in the login queue after getting dced and is trying to enter the game will he b able to join back by kicking the new player,if yes then what if the new player ****ed up his gold and items no one has exactly the same play style,lets say a player wants to join a pre existing game and the player who left the game was playing brand now can the new player who dosent have brand join the game ?

Originally Posted by Stexe

The idea has been suggested since the original beta. It has been shot down many times due to a variety of reasons -- primarily that someone who leaves a game is typically leaving because they rage quit because they were losing. Who would want to join a game where their team is losing? Also, what if the player accidentally left and wants to come back?

Finally, there is a number of tech issues with something like that. If leavers continue to be a problem after the Tribunal comes around full force, then I'd bring up the idea again. But right now I don't think this is the best use of Riot's time.

Originally Posted by Gradash

So I have a more efficient solution for this.

Replace the leaver player for a bot.

The bot assumes the champ of deserter player, he would be controlled by a bot at an intermediate level.

Some people may complain saying that the bot does not play well, I've seen many people far worse than the bots, honestly.

And when the player came back, He would take control of the bot again.
And the player would receive a deserter Penalty XP / IP equal to 1% / minute was out.
If the bot played more than 50% of the match in place of a player, he loses 100% of the XP / IP.

I think this is the best way to solve the problem.

Originally Posted by iBeeZy

But the bot system has to be good. If it isn't, it will open a literal rage-storm of people flooding the forums about how a bot made them lose the game they could have won with a 4v5 or that it isn't good enough, etc.