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Tribunal causing a new kind of trolls.

 
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Volvagia oot ?? Senior Member
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06-14-2011

I just want to start by saying I am not saying the tribunal is bad, it has clearly made progress.

That being said, has anyone noticed that since the tribunal, all the trolls are now just trolling in ways that wont get them banned?

Examples

1. Mord that demands solo top, first item is a force of nature, good item on mord right? Next items, zerker grieves, phantom dancer and zeal. Feeds like crazy, ends up going 2-8. Cant ban him for his choice of items.

2. Nocturne. Spamming with cap locks on all game (possible ban). Dies in the exact same way the entire game (chasing one person into the enemy jungle even though our wards show 3 incoming). He also made a habit of ulting into 4-5 of them, when there was no possible way for us to get to him before he died, than raging in all caps telling us how terrible he is. He went 6-16. In this scenario he might get a warning for the spamming, but you can't ban someone for being bad at the game, even though he was clearly doing it on purpose, although we can't prove it.

This has been happening to me all week. Am I alone? Is this becoming common? If so, how do you stop this new form of trolling?

 
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Kinan Eldari ?? Senior Member
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06-14-2011

The first you can indeed do little about, yep. But the second one I would write up as intentional feeding.

Although for the first I would report him for being an unskilled player and an a**.

 
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Originally Posted by Kinan Eldari View Post
The first you can indeed do little about, yep. But the second one I would write up as intentional feeding.

Although for the first I would report him for being an unskilled player and an a**.
We could report him for intentional feeding, but if riot is reviewing it, there is nothing that can prove it. If they were in the game, than yeah, it was obvious it was on purpose. But nothing was said in chat to point to him doing it on purpose.

Same with the first one, reporting him for being stupid wont get him banned, so now the trolls will just do this over and over every game, knowing they cant be banned for being a noob, or buying stupid items.

 
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n00bsause ?? Recruiter
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06-14-2011

My problem is that everyone and thier momma wants to report for anything now.
OMG YOU CALLED MID IM REPORTING. no joke its happened
OMG YOUR AP EZ IM REPORTING , no joke also happened , EVEN THOUGH I CARRIED THE GAME
There are others who rage all game only to beg everyone to report for stupid reasons, or those who rage all game while your doing good and convince the other team to report you because you are doing bad.
i was 13/5 and on the losing team with best score for team and both teams were raging on me hardcore and at end game 5 or more had said they reported for numerous reasons.
0/13 teemo playing ap, i said ap teemo is nothing but praying for shrooms which isnt really viable for ranked so he spent all game convincing both teams to report me. I know nothing will come of the report even though 7 out of the 9 players had said they sent the report, i did nothing wrong but there are lots of people looking for any possible reason to report when they lose.

ANOTHER THING I MUST CONVEY
Ranked is competitive, period. In a game between 2 football, basketball, or hockey teams do you not think those players are talking **** to each other on the field, court, or rink? If not your insane, sports is about competition even if its Esports such as LOL. Talking trash is natural in a competition, what makes you unsportsman like is not being able to say good game when the game is over. I have run across many that do not understand this fact.
Perfect example is phreak - sorry to call you out on this but its best example i know that people have seen. When he does the spotlights sometimes he will take first blood while dying, and says its worth it in chat, that is somewhat a form of bragging/trash talking to the other team. BUT i bet you phreak can say good game after getting roflstomped in a game.
Im not going to lie and say that i dont talk trash in my games because i do, but at the end of the game i will always tell good players that it was a good game and point out times where they just flat out had me or my team mates beaten.

And as for the mord solo top
ranked was created for a reason, if your queing solo then its something you have to deal with until that player drops his rating enough for you to not see them, nothing else can be done. You cant ban someone because they are bad, believe me i wish you could. I am stuck in elo hell for this reason, last 10 games show me with 0 that i fed or even went close to feeding but my rating is under 800 because i always seem to get the "badsause on my pizza". I can cover any role but ive found when i play one someone else fails at the other. I just cant wait for ELO RESET!

 
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fuxalt ?? Senior Member
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06-14-2011

I find being an unskilled player isn't a legitimate reason for banning. It's like saying no one is allowed to have a bad game or no one is allowed to try out certain builds or no one is allowed to test their weird build against human players. It doesn't matter if you're pro, regular or a newbie. Everyone has bad games. If you're banning for this reason, then you're simply a hypocrite.

The only reason where you ban for an unskilled player if you know for a fact that the account with the unskilled player was his/her sibling or friend and not the owner.

 
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Volvagia oot ?? Senior Member
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06-14-2011

@ syfus

Yes, that is also a problem, people using the fear of getting banned by the tribunal as a way to get their way. Such as threatening to ban for taking mid, etc. (also, not saying this was the case, but you canhave the best score in the game and still be the reason your team lost. I had a malzahar who was carrying, than for no reason decided to solo push top while 5 of the enemy players took our mid and bot inhib. Making him the reason we lost, although he had the best score.)

@fuxalt

Big differene between being an unskilled player, and trolling in a way that wont get you banned. That mord for example, if you wannna try out new builds, go for it, have a blast. But ranked games are not the place to try out new builds, especially attack speed crit chance mord. This should be worth banning because he completely ruined the game for the other 4 players, wether he is just plain dumb, or was trolling.

Same thing with having bad games. The nocturne game I refered to, he would chase the enemy player into the enemy jungle. For 15 seconds (not exaggerating) we would be yelling at him to back out, he would completely ignore us, run in and die. He did this at least 8 times, and every time we told him not too. There is a difference between being unskilled, and trolling.

 
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HatLlama ?? Senior Member
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06-14-2011

Agreed.

In fact, I've come across a few grey areas where the guy didn't seem *that* guilty or had a good reason, but after reviewing more of his games it became obvious this guy was indeed trolling, and trying to make it look like his was innocent in the logs.

Very sneaky.

 
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fuxalt ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by xxprimalfuryxx View Post
@ syfus

Yes, that is also a problem, people using the fear of getting banned by the tribunal as a way to get their way. Such as threatening to ban for taking mid, etc. (also, not saying this was the case, but you canhave the best score in the game and still be the reason your team lost. I had a malzahar who was carrying, than for no reason decided to solo push top while 5 of the enemy players took our mid and bot inhib. Making him the reason we lost, although he had the best score.)

@fuxalt

Big differene between being an unskilled player, and trolling in a way that wont get you banned. That mord for example, if you wannna try out new builds, go for it, have a blast. But ranked games are not the place to try out new builds, especially attack speed crit chance mord. This should be worth banning because he completely ruined the game for the other 4 players, wether he is just plain dumb, or was trolling.

Same thing with having bad games. The nocturne game I refered to, he would chase the enemy player into the enemy jungle. For 15 seconds (not exaggerating) we would be yelling at him to back out, he would completely ignore us, run in and die. He did this at least 8 times, and every time we told him not too. There is a difference between being unskilled, and trolling.
Sorry I was replying to the second post. But yes, I agree with your point.

 
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Originally Posted by Syfus View Post
or those who rage all game while your doing good and convince the other team to report you because you are doing bad.
What?!?

Are you doing good or are you doing bad? And I think if you're truely doing good, no matter how much someone tries, they cannot convice others your doing bad?!?