Then answer me, how are you building her? Are you building her like old kayle? Or, are you building her like teemo 2.0? Did you say teemo 2.0? Correct!

Trust me, take your Kayle masteries, runes & item build (presumably Merc Treads, Malady, Madred's, Black Cleaver) and use them on Zilean. Your damage output will be the same as Kayle pretty-much.

played a few more games with her, shes a ****ing disaster. Worst champion in the game right now.

People dont seem to get this.

Attack Speed/On HIt works the same for almost every champion. Kayle has NOTHING in her kit that makes her better at it, its the fact her kit is now SO BAD that going AP or AD is pointless on her, so its best to just rush AS to maximize the bonus damage from E.

Check out most mages who have

A) more range
B) more natural attack speed
C) more attack speed per level
D) far..far...FAR better abilities, even without AP

Zil has a massive speed up/slow down power and an ult that is game changing. His bombs are a fine AoE harass even without much AP behind them.

Oriannas passive works like Kayles E for bonus single target damage 3 hits in, she has significantly more attack speed naturally and per level (+3.5% vs +2.0%) and more range. She can AOE slow for more than kayle can single target slow at 50% more range (925 vs 525). Her Ult is game changing (effectively a 400 aoe stun+move+burst damage). Its basically a tibbers bomb. She can speed up teammates BETTER (almost twice as good as kayle can!) and can spead up more than 1 at a time. And oh yeah, she has a real support abilities (an awesome shield with low cooldown and ability to give a player 30 armor/30 magic resistance).


Kayle has a bad passive
Kayle has no incentive to go any other build than as/ap
Kayle has horrible range for a ranged carry, and has to get a power + 40 % cdr to just behave as a ranged character 100% of the time despite the fact her raw stats would be weak for a ranged carry (i.e she is penalized for being a ranged carry mechanically but has to ASPIRE to be one, with cdr runes, masteries and equipment).
Kayles heal is now quite pointless yet was not removed from her kit. The speed buff is insignificant; real supports (zil, orianna) can boost someone significantly better/longer on average. The heal is weak enough it basically stops a single auto attack from an enemy carry, with a 15 second or so cooldown, it may as well not exist.


Kayles early game is worse now (mathematically proven); all she has now that is better is better mana costs for the most part, however since her heal is so bad now her sustain plummeted, so against any intelligent enemy her early game lanning is now WORSE (yes worse. I understand in pub games people dont harass each other that much, but in ranked people see a kayle and realize her weakness and capitalize on it). Kayle cant keep her health up, and her range on Q and E is limited; most other solos can safely harass her, or have much better sustain.

P.S Excuse Typos, I have not yet had my coffee.

Revert on the heal nerf, passive remake, and slight rebuff to Q, while keeping the buff to E and maybe making it a toggle that drains 45 mana per 10 seconds. But in her current state i feel very very empty to the old kayle.

I propose we BUMP this shamelessly until the reds stop ignoring it.

I've been using attack speed/on hit build with Nashor's Tooth, Berserker's Greaves, Malady, and Black Cleaver as my core build since before the patch, and she's far weaker now with the same items. Not even counting the passive change, losing 2/3 of the damage amplification on Reckoning was a massive blow to her DPS.

from what i can tell the best way to build new kayle is the same way you built old kayle. Your still about 45% weaker then you used to be but at least your not completely useless.

The fact that her Damage steroid doesnt work on towers is hilarious.

Sad part is that to make function his passive correctly, you need to hit a target multiple times, but for that you need a LOT of AS, now is mandatory zerk + malady and other, when before rework with much less than that you get good AS. The rework ruined her base stats too HARD.

i think the some fun stuff about the rework

5% amp now i do 5 more damage per attack instead of 15-16
teh passive, such a joke
the range on RF lowest of all range attacks.
15 second heal with a .35 ap ratio lowest heal in the game, Longest cooldown


Shurelia said that the community doesnt know what it wants. This kayle remakes says that riot doesnt know what it wants kayle to be.

you want her to be a ranged carry? Shes the weakest ranged carry in the game, Even most casters would make better Attackspeed AD ranged carries just because of their increased range, and in most cases Hard CC's

Want kayle to be a support? Shes the worst support, Every other support champion in the game is better then kayle

Want her to be a hybrid carry support? Worthless, she doesnt support enough to warrant having her weak attempt to carry,

Kayle should not be played by anyone until they fix her, or remove her from the game.