Originally Posted by Hannor
I just wanted to add/ask. As jungle rammus I have been against a few ww. I never see them until after i gank, if at all, and i always have a ward at dragon well in time to catch them for a kill/steal attempt. Is it possible that jungle rammus can best jungle ww, or am i just up against crappy ww's.
Edit: forgot to add, whenever i do meet a ww in the jungle, I typically have owned him. either killing him outright or sending him b long enough to take some of his jungle creeps out, as well.
If you jungle as ww against a rammus, you have to counterjungle him at level 1 or your basically screwed until you get your Bloodrazor. I managed several times to steal Blue from Rammus and kill him at level 1, but if his team protects him, that's difficult. However if you manage to get your team helping you counterjungle rammus at level one, you can make his live in jungle hell and he will not recover from it until ganking phase is over.
So yes: rammus is a good counterjungle to ww. And yes: if ww does not try to disturb you early on and gets ganked by you at dragon, it's a bad ww. If I'm against rammus and I do dragon, I place two wards AND pull dragon into the river, leaving him unfinished if I see rammus powerballing to my direction ...