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[Champion suggestion] Regius, The Puppet Master

 
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DeathsAdvocate ?? Senior Member
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11-04-2011

Orginly, it was just a cc increase, people disliked this, and tenaicty reduction is an existing ability. Mine allows for negatives, so if people dont have tenacity it will actualy increases the duration of cc.And merc treads are boots that give 35% tenacity. And your calling him not unique? Now thats something i havnt heard before...im introducing two completly new mechanics...thats prety unique. And my abilities are quite different from shhaco and maoaki. All good though, thanks for the review. And yes q is target.

Sadly due to constant complaints his ulti isnt quite as orginal now.

 
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Joyejoyu ?? Junior Member
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11-04-2011

sounds good

 
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Samus93 ?? Senior Member
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11-05-2011

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Like tryndameres op ult is fun? it pisses everyone off, and is much more annoying then this...and fiddles fear...not even his ulti it lasts 3 seconds...that is total loss of control while people run around like chickens with there head cut off. Generally you dont worry about how other player will react (because clearly riot doesn't due to champs like tryndamere) you worry about balancing issues, if its not to op its fine even if it may piss someone off. Any stun is aggrivating and this is not much worse. What matters is, is the champ balanced, and will people enjoy playing him? Whether someone else would enjoy facing him or not i believe is irrelevant.

And when we talk about champs who completely lock peeps down like skarner and malzar, malzar has a simiar duration but it does stupid dmg....and skarner while it doesent last long but it doesent have the vulnrabilities like regius and malz. There are allready mechanics in the game that leave a complete loss of control. While yes i do take it to the final possible stage, i worked rather hard to keep it balnced. But point beeing...there is allready total loss of control in the game. Just because mine does it differently doesnt make it better or worse.
I normally try to remain positive and helpful on these forums, however i saw this and began seeing red at the corners of my eyes. This kind of attitude and thinking is why you have had to self-bump the 50-60 times that you have.... dude, if you really believe that ^^ then you shouldnt be making champ suggestions, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be nasty, but you really, really, REALLY need to change you way of thinking there. As for your arguements:
Tryndameres ult is very easy to counter, you just simply lock him down with slows, stuns, suppressions etc or you exhaust his ass. Not hard to counter - your Regius CANNOT be countered, but instead has the enemy brand nuke down his entire team without you even needing to be nearby ...... I'm not gonna go on about how flawed your champ concept is, because several people have done that already and just got ignored. continuing with what you said:

Obviously your one of those people who panics as soon as a fiddle ults into your team, rather then just simply walking out of the AoE or bursting down the said fiddle. Again, its not a hard counter, just people who dont think. As for his fear, its linked to an ability that does small amounts of damage and, while it can hit multiple enemies, it is very unreliable. and a silence for 3 seconds is completely different to a 3 second period where you rape the enemy team with one of their own players.

Riot DOES care about both balance and fun, that's a very naive view you have there .... and your idea of balance is kinda screwed up. As for skarner, his ult is a different kind of displacement to the normal 'knock-back' and is both interesting and balanced. What makes it different to yours? Well lets see: the range is about 150 (in other words ahs to be right next to them), not 1200 like yours. Neither Skarner nor the captured enemy can deal damage while this occurs, and the captured enemy is not forced to attack nearby enemies. The duration is also much shorter for skarner then for your Ultimate. As for Malzahar, again he has a suppression that deals damage over 3 seconds, how is this worse then being technically suppressed for 5 seconds while your target kills his own team??

And finally, if you really believe there is "total loss of control in this game" then I dont think you understand at all how the game works and definitely shouldnt be designing champions. I know this whole post seems extremely negative, which it is, but this kind of stupidity is what clogs up these forums. Not the concept, which is interesting and unique, but your total lack of understanding and cooperation. I sincerely hope you decide to change both those things

EDIT: just saw your post two ones back:
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Now thats something i havnt heard before...im introducing two completly new mechanics...thats prety unique. And my abilities are quite different from shhaco and maoaki.
Now do i really need to say anythign further? considering that your E is EXACTLY the same as Maokai (but with an added snare so its stronger) and your w is an exact mix of wukong and Shaco, with no new mechanics ...

 
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Bigg Fuddgee ?? Senior Member
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11-05-2011

a puppet like mine!? yay

passive: I like it good thought!

Q: the damage is really low i don't know if you intended for that. but the ability is good

W: sounds like wukong >.< not too unique except that it makes auto attacks which makes it better.

E: sounds like moaki saplings, it'd be real cool if you made them stealthed puppets like shacos and make them last 8 minutes so they can be wards like shacos and teemos

R: i really don't like the idea of taking over champions...although you are suppressed your still taking a champion making it 4v5....if your going to keep this, this is what i suggest. Increase the range to 1500...and then if you take damage the threads are broken that way they will flash in to kill you and may die themselves but they will get their champion back.

 
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11-06-2011

Q. yes damage is low, i intended this because it effectively does stun the person briefly like a taunt, while at the same time if they are a heavy ad champ there auto atk can hurt a bit. Kept damage low on purpose.


W. Well yes...idk how to make a clone much different from wukong or shaco....it is different though, as well as its uses. But yea...idk sure its similar but far from a copy.

E. People do keep complaining about my e beeing similar to to makaies...despite that its 1/3 the damage and a snare instead, and the range they chase is about 1/10...but people do keep sayings its bad so i guess ill have to change it. Ill get on that i guess...since thats like the third complaint. Thanks for the suggestion, but I very much decided i wanted a skill shot snare here....this ability has been drastically changed more then once. But apparently every form of skill shot snare is some copy of someone elses, so im rather stumped....well i hope the change will satisfy people.



R. Well cc of any form, allready stops it, as well of of course death...any damage at all will make it quite useless. Idk really how i can nerf it farther, the range is allready pretty long increasing it more is to much, will let you catch people safetly behind walls i dont want that.. And the amount of negative feedback ive gotten on that i supose its time to give up and rework it a little.

Please post your link to the champ you wanted me to comment on, to hard to just find it.


As for mr rager above my helpful friend here.....the only times i replied like so were in reply to equally raging posts who offered no help, or suggestions....just saying this is bad, so i raged back explaining why i didnt think so. The amount of changes i have made to him is immense i have taken more then half the suggestions people have given me. And nerfed my ulti repeatedly. Btw his ulti could be countered by any cc and by keeping abilities on cooldown which they usualy are anyways..allthough i now have removed that weakness with the newest awful nerf. Oh also with fiddle i was speaking about his fear not his ulti, i just wanted to make it clear that he had a 3 second fear on an ability that was not his ulti, which also makes it 4v5. And guess what...speaking of fiddles ult...if you dont focus him he tends to destroy entire teams....hmmm guess what you could do to regius? and regius ult was counterable outside of death unlike fiddles. When were talking about op ults fiddles has allways taken the cake. He was once my main, but i disliked geting focued cus of how easy he dies....oh yea remember regius is more squishy then fiddles and helpless during his ult.

But no matter i have drasticly changed regius ult as much as it pained me to do so.

 
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Vulcanös ?? Senior Member
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11-07-2011

Getting back to you as soon as I could!
Okay first and foremost, nice work on the damage. One of the first champions I've seen that had less than or about right damage on abilities.
Now, the abilities.
While none of them are that bad, it's a very strange set of abilities. A particularly hard to use stealth ability, but I do see the logic and it's pretty well done, you'd have no way to tell when he activated it. As for the puppet, I think if it has such a huge snare it should probably be used up in the process, like a Nidalee trap. Or if you don't like that idea, maybe turn down its duration, to 8 seconds or so, just a simple balance thing really, seems to last a bit long for a snare, it'd shut down a lot of escapes and stuff, maybe a bit too well.
Damage is quite nice, and the ult is YET ANOTHER attempt to use enemy champions abilities (It's not going to happen guys) so I've liked how you've changed it. It basically gives him a few autoattacks with the enemy carry.
Not a lot to review here I'm afraid, the concepts are good if strange, the snare does need a bit of reworking just to sort it out, the juke is good and his ult is okay. I guess the main concern here is.. what exactly does he do? His damage isn't that nice and his cc is mediocre at best, and he does little to support allies. Seems to fit in kinda like Maokai, strange abilities that kind of have their place, but it isn't quite obvious where.

 
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Samus93 ?? Senior Member
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11-07-2011

I love how you call me Mr Rager lol i used logic and reason to literally destroy every argument you had, sorry if you had trouble keeping up with that. As it is, you changed the ult so its not nearly as OP ... I still have issues with it, as it is a 5 second taunt that has 1200 range and you choose where the target moves, and it has added damage. I would make suggestions on how to fix it, however i think any suggestions i make will be considered as "more raging"

Oh yes, and i saw on several occasions that you refused help (or abusive and unhelpful comments as you refer to it) concerning several abilities. you do have several interesting ideas in this champion concept, but none of them are unique or knew. Puppet master's have been around for a LONG time, and most have the same flaws. I agree with Vulcanos, interesting concepts however they dont fit together properly, leaving the champion without a proper role to slot into (except being a pain in the arse)

EDIT: lol he downvoted my comments, very mature. And you only responded to about 2 of the 12ish things i mentioned in my "rage fest" care to explain the others?

EDIT 2: inb4 "Mr Rager is mad"

 
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DeathsAdvocate ?? Senior Member
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11-07-2011

Oh vulconos the snare isnt the initial blast radius, its small like a niddale trap or a teemo mushroom. Or did you realise this and still think it was to much, if so ill reduce it 8 seconds.

Mr Rager. if you would like to give constructive criticism i will gladly listen. And as for the rest, i found it to be just a rant with little point then anger, and did not see a point in replying to the rest.

I have him set up to fill a support role similar to lux, heavy cc, medium damage. And a passive that will increase my own teams ccs, so how powerful it is depends largely on team composition.

 
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Mr Rager. if you would like to give constructive criticism i will gladly listen. And as for the rest, i found it to be just a rant with little point then anger, and did not see a point in replying to the rest.
you know you're not fooling anyone right? i wonder if you actually believe that yourself

 
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11-07-2011

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