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Tribunal is broken, proof inside.

 
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Heesus ?? Senior Member
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09-30-2011

I did the tribunal for my first time tonight, here is proof that it is broken.

The screenshot shows that 1 person out of everyone reported this person for feeding when their score is clearly positive.

The tribunal is idiotic, that is all.

Edit - Unless im missing, from what I see here, People can report anyone for anything (even if untrue) and others will have a chance to punish them.

 
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You are misunderstanding the wide scale scope of the system. Even if you vote punish on that ticket, your one vote wont send an email to Riot. Even when that email does go to riot, if enough people do click that punish button; Riot reviews the case before a ban is sent out; you clicking punish is just telling riot "I think this person should be punished"

 
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Originally Posted by Criode View Post
You are misunderstanding the wide scale scope of the system. Even if you vote punish on that ticket, your one vote wont send an email to Riot. Even when that email does go to riot, if enough people do click that punish button; Riot reviews the case before a ban is sent out; you clicking punish is just telling riot "I think this person should be punished"
your missing the fact epople will jsut say yes whitout lookign for free ip and riot is an automatic system.

 
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your missing the fact epople will jsut say yes whitout lookign for free ip and riot is an automatic system.
You obviously haven't researched the system, the only thing that is automatic; is warnings. Any actual action against an account that would effect your ability to play the game is reviewed by a Riot employee before hand.

It is widely agreed that the IP system is flawed, I never argued that fact, so I'm not exactly sure how I was "missing it?", but regardless someone being issued IP does not mean that a ban has been issued. It simply means the Tribunal ticket has now been forwarded to Riot for review, as enough summoners have made a similar vote. It the ticket does not have merit, Riot will decline the Punish that people had pushed through.

The system will then automatically record that they had voted improperly on the case. Should it happen on a regular enough basis, the system will catch notice, and eventually (Takes some time due to the amount of reports that DO warrant a punish) their tribunal privileges will be revoked.

 
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Originally Posted by Criode View Post
You obviously haven't researched the system, the only thing that is automatic; is warnings. Any actual action against an account that would effect your ability to play the game is reviewed by a Riot employee before hand.

It is widely agreed that the IP system is flawed, I never argued that fact, so I'm not exactly sure how I was "missing it?", but regardless someone being issued IP does not mean that a ban has been issued. It simply means the Tribunal ticket has now been forwarded to Riot for review, as enough summoners have made a similar vote. It the ticket does not have merit, Riot will decline the Punish that people had pushed through.

The system will then automatically record that they had voted improperly on the case. Should it happen on a regular enough basis, the system will catch notice, and eventually (Takes some time due to the amount of reports that DO warrant a punish) their tribunal privileges will be revoked.
Show me one place where Riot states that a 7 day suspension is reviewed by riot before being placed onto an account.

 
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Show me one place where Riot states that a 7 day suspension is reviewed by riot before being placed onto an account.
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I believe since that post things have changed (I've seen a few posts by Zileas talking about tweaking which posts are vetted or not). The end goal of the Tribunal is to give you guys a greater degree of control over it - we just wanted to ensure it was working properly and as expected before handing over a bit more of the reins.

Do rest assured that we are still monitoring it and that we'll continue to monitor more serious punishments - warnings and the like MAY not be individually vetted by this point (although I'm sure we'll continue to spot-check!).
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People are pardoned from the Tribunal by the community.
Failing that, Riot review the case and pardon people.
There are multiple tiers to the Tribunal. Generally, first up is a warning.

A small set of games is generally not going to get you into the Tribunal, don't stress!
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Sure. Just to be clear, we are spending time confirming that the system is 'doing the right thing'. For example, there were a few erroneous second-time offender permabans yesterday, but we are going through finding them, and fixing them. If you got hit by one of those, please let CS know, but we should find them soon.

That being said, the people getting banned are almost without exception very deserving of the ban.
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I'll admit that I haven't had time to do cases in the past couple days so maybe they look a bit different now.

Keep in mind that all cases are vetted by a Rioter before judgment is made. If the community is 80% voting punish on a case that we pardon, only the pardoners will be credited as voting correctly. While a thirst for blood may have yielded mostly the correct results early on, voting carefully will be critical as the Tribunal matures and you receive less clear-cut cases.
Happy?

 
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Happy?
Not unless he wins, so probably not.

 
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Happy?
Rofl

 
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Happy?
Lmao no. Because none of the the posts you quoted have a riot employee stating that they review every 7 day suspension before manually issuing it like i asked you to. All you did was quote a few posts which vaguely talk about how riot may monitor various degrees of punishments to make sure the tribunal is "doing the right thing"

That's absolutely not what i asked you to find, and your failure to provide what i requested only proves my point further.

 
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Lmao no. Because none of the the posts you quoted have a riot employee stating that they review every 7 day suspension before manually issuing it like i asked you to. All you did was quote a few posts which vaguely talk about how riot may monitor various degrees of punishments to make sure the tribunal is "doing the right thing"

That's absolutely not what i asked you to find, and your failure to provide what i requested only proves my point further.
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Glad that it's fixed for you! I'll look into what caused it in the first place.

To answer your questions:
1. We're currently discussing adding the summoner level, but as far as I know people are generally in favor of it.
2. Riot reviews bans, but warnings are automated.
3. Letting players know why they were punished is something we definitely want to add.
4. I'm not sure what the current configuration is, but it's generally less than a week. Keep in mind that the cases you voted on need to be closed out first. (You'll be awarded for the ones that are closed out at the time IP awards are calculated, but the remainder may end up taking another week.)
There goes your "argument" then.