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Silverduckie ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by King Tyranno View Post
most player-centric company ftw


this is why Valve will CRUSH you (and that fatso and guinbeard-less won't be able to do **** to stop it).

Enjoy living in a cardboard box from now on.

at least you won't be fired for being japanese like Shurelia was. It was leaked in Solomid that the Tencent guy in Riot HQ did some really nasty things to her due to her heritage. That was from Doublelift, who lived with Shurelia during her last weeks as a Red.
im glad that shurelia is gone, she trolled me purposely in rank by going AD leblanc and ignore the team who asked her to stop

 
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McMaster ?? Senior Member
10-19-2011

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im glad that shurelia is gone, she trolled me purposely in rank by going AD leblanc and ignore the team who asked her to stop
But... AD Leblanc is a beast :C

 
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10-19-2011

i thought people would be more happy when Riot started decreasing prices of old champs? they didn't have to do that.

there really just isn't pleasing people. this community is filled with so many self-entitled children it's almost depressing.

 
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Originally Posted by Jozrael View Post
-_-, lol. For once I didn't even see this response coming, as I (and others) have responded to it elsewhere. Moneypenny has already announced that the reduction of older champions to offset the cost of new champions is our new pricing strategy that we feel is the fairest sustainable strategy to our playerbase. While things are always subject to change, I feel you are safe in this assumption.
Yes you reduce the IP prices of older champions, which is cool. But, we are still paying 975 RP for 3150 champions. Why is that? Half the IP cost, same RP cost? Does not compute.

I'm not sure about everyone else, but if 3150 champs were less RP (as would make sense) then I'd be obtaining several more mid range champs (Karthus, Corki, GP, Panth etc).

 
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Ok so after a couple of hours of work, I got myself a bit of free time to roll around the forums see what's cooking. This thread is still going surprisingly and I came across this post:

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Originally Posted by Lashrack View Post
Riot decreased IP gain by 15-25% earlier this year and started releasing 6300 champions way too often. It's like cutting down your salary by 25% while making everything else much more expensive. Not fun at all. But wait, that increases Riot's profit, so everything is fine...
So... if everybody bashing against 6300 prices is sharing this logic, then no wonder there are this many amount of ragers.

First off lets get a few points clear.

1. Ip gain was logical, I mean there is no exclusiveness or achievement in getting to 6300 champions via ip if it's not by hard work.

2. Riot isn't "making everything else much more expensive" I don't see brand being more expensive, Nor Swain, nor Nocturne... Just they are releasing NEW (get that concept? NEW) champions for a fixed amount of 6300. Whilst at this, reducing prices of several other champions that are very good ones indeed, Anivia, Blitzcrank, Corki, Karthus, Twitch, and forgot the last one. All of these costed 6300. It's more around the terms as: "riot has cut your salary by 20%, is releasing new content for the same 6300 price over and over, but is offering you the older content for cheaper and more affordable prices".

3. Yes it's riot profit to bring new champs in for that price. Lets not forget that 6300ip is not real money. It's still fully free to gain, just a tad harder then what it used to be. And Xerath (last release before Graves) is free to play this week. Has anybody even bothered mentioning that? This shows you that Riot DOES reward patience. Skin sales, Champion RP sales, First win of the day IP boosts. All rewards patience and persistance. Talon was free 2 play 2 weeks after release. So was Wukong, Skarner. ALL of these champions have passed through the F2P Podium, and it's only a matter of time till Graves does it too.

4. Back to 3, Free to play champions. Nobody, will EVER force you to pay a single cent, or ip for a champion (except to play ranked, you need a minimum of 14 for that, free champs included so really you just need 4), the 10 free champions are perfectly playable, no cost whatsoever, and I can guarantee you almost every week, I spend more time playing the f2p champs then any of the 30+ champions I have previously Unlocked. Why is that? Even tho I may afford X champ, the fact that it's free and I do not own it, makes me want to play it so it can convince me to buy such a champion. So far Xerath might actually convince me to buy him, Free weeks convinced me to buy Kennen and I have loved that buy since day 1. And so on and so forth.

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5. I as a player am never going to get tired of saying this: If champions were released for cheaper then 6300, the amount of people buying and spamming that champion in normals would be abismal. The amount of queue dodging would increase by several 100 times. You'd see that champ in EVERY game. Wether it's trying it out in normals, co-op, or even ranked. Just to get on the forums in the next hour and read atleast 300 new threads saying XXX is op, or XXX is up, or XXX is a lazy design, and yada yada. You have seen the amount of threads for Xerath when his value is 6300, imagine now what chaos would have gone around if he was half of that?

No further comments shall be necessary. But I'll post later anyway because I'm stupid like dat.

 
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McMaster ?? Senior Member
10-19-2011

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Originally Posted by FuriousLeftNut View Post
i thought people would be more happy when Riot started decreasing prices of old champs? they didn't have to do that.

there really just isn't pleasing people. this community is filled with so many self-entitled children it's almost depressing.
Except that reducing the price of old champions does very little to fix the problem with Riot releasing champions at only the highest pricing bracket. The easiest way to do it is to change the pricing system entirely.

 
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Miirik ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Jozrael View Post
I see this sentiment rampant on the forums, and it saddens me. If you enjoy our product and are on these forums for discussion, why would you not engage and advocate for your beliefs? I frequently see players insulted for agreeing in the slightest with a Riot decision, as if being a 'fanboy' is a shameful thing. If I enjoy a product, chances are I'm a fan of it. People cast all advocates as delusional, as if you need to lose all measure of control of your reasoning faculties to make the ludicrous choice to do anything but complain.

I also question your argument. (While clearly you could consider me biased in this discussion, I came from the community and continue to represent what I understand to be its best interests both within Riot and on these boards.) Riot's vision statement is to be the most player-focused games company in the world. Dozens of times per day you can hear the questions:
'How will that impact the player?'
'Is that going to improve the player experience in X case?'
etc.
I personally feel that every effort is made to cleave true to this. While I do not blame healthy skepticism, I see utter cynical paranoia all too frequently on these boards (which thankfully I don't feel your post falls in), that Riot has it out for the player at every opportunity. The more people view us as a company, the easier it is to compartmentalize us as evil, greedy, soulless corporate automatons. Every member of Riot is a person who was screened on hire for not only competency but culture fit - and a key ingredient of Riot culture is an ability to empathize with the playerbase, as the vast majority of us are avid players of our own product.

The central tenet of your argument is that Riot makes decisions for profit. No one is arguing this point - Riot is a business and as such cannot support itself on goodwill and rainbows alone. However, the underlying implication is that this is a devious, corrupt goal, and that is the more important assertion and ultimately, I feel, incorrect. The goal of a business and the customer is to enter into a mutually beneficial relationship. Neither of us could exist without the other. We value our playerbase immensely - not only are you fun to play and interact with on a personal, individual level, but as a company you are eminently practical - you are what sustains us (not your sickness. Sorry, Mord joke). Likewise, while there are many enjoyable games out there, we create, maintain, develop, innovate upon, and push forward League of Legends. Without Riot, there is no LoL in the first place. This is not codependence, this is a mutually symbiotic relationship. I think there is nothing wrong with acknowledging this.

While I find your point about compensation irrelevant, I can absolutely attest that the ultimate motivation of all Rioters is the unique opportunity to work with and for you - any details of compensation are secondary. While there are geniuses here moving mountains and paid accordingly, I know many employees who could find a more profitable position in another field. However, it is here that they find fulfillment.

Joz out.

P.S. To be clear, I don't begrudge you your opinion or your skepticism in the slightest. The main point was simply to address the /riotdefensesquad jibe/mentality so that productive discussion can occur in a less hostile environment.
P.P.S. I've responded to a number of points in the following pages, including the original post's titular query. If you're reading this early on the 19th, check out [URL2=http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/devtracker.php?g=Riot]our redtracker[/URL2] for a full list. If you're reading this later on, [URL2=http://clgaming.net/redtracker/topic/17792/?p=1]this redtracker[/URL2] has a more consolidated list.
good job not giving a straight answer, you'd be a great politician

 
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Blacck ?? Senior Member
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10-19-2011

Jozrael, how's your grammar so good?

 
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Daerkannon ?? Senior Member
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Except that reducing the price of old champions does very little to fix the problem with Riot releasing champions at only the highest pricing bracket. The easiest way to do it is to change the pricing system entirely.
What exactly is the problem? That they're charging you too much of something that you get for free anyway from just playing the game? Oh, the horrors. Honestly this is one of the most customer friendly F2P games I've played in a while and there is absolutely nothing in the store that makes the game 'play to win'. Beyond that, as far as I'm concerned, they're well within their rights to make a living as a company. If that means pricing new champions high in IP to increase their exclusivity and encourage people to spend money on them, then bravo for them. No one is forcing you to buy the new champion and you don't need it to win... so where's the problem?

 
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eekeekpatang ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Atraxotoxin View Post
Yes. Every champion will be 6300. Occasionally Riot will drop the prices on older ones to 3150, but so far no lower and 3150, 4800 and 6300 all arbitrarily have the same RP cost.

So **** you silly ****ing consumer. WHO CARES BOIII WE RICH NAOOO!!!!

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arbitrarily have the same RP cost.
My brain.
It hurts us.