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LordRoland ?? Senior Member
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11-08-2011

I don't feel that it needs changing myself, there will always be situations where a character's maximum potential is not reached. A Leona that is not around team mates is no worse for wear than a kog maw or karthus who enjoy a perfect game and have 0 deathes logged.

The fact that Leona's passive is unique in this way should be something that is celebrated, not something to be changed.

 
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I don't feel that it needs changing myself, there will always be situations where a character's maximum potential is not reached. A Leona that is not around team mates is no worse for wear than a kog maw or karthus who enjoy a perfect game and have 0 deathes logged.

The fact that Leona's passive is unique in this way should be something that is celebrated, not something to be changed.

Just because something is unique doesn't make it good or even right.

Leona has the only passive in the game that cannot work for her, she cannot benefit from it, and it requires other players to be smart enough to understand how it works and how to use it to its fullest.

Yes, this is a team based game and your suppose to work together. However I have checked and doubled checked again and no other Champion is locked out from their passive, no matter how much it might suck it is still working for them. Every champion can independently function on their own.

I'm not saying her passive is bad, in fact its the largest reason why she is so powerful for bottom lane support, however a secondary effect when a charge is not used would place her in a better spot in games, like it has been said she is not a good choice to jungle and top lane is more bad then good because she lacks sustain.

 
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11-08-2011

Make her passive be a dot for half the damage until proc, boom everything fine now.

 
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Commander Sabin ?? Senior Member
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11-09-2011

Added another section at the bottom.

 
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Masticatorr ?? Senior Member
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11-09-2011

Leona + An AD that knows how to break the passive in turns after each ability = TONS OF DAMAGE.

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Well, mostly I was reading through kinda quickly, was going to play a game, but got caught in this thread now. I got involved with Leona a while back, and she still remains my only support I can play well.

Her passive is designed to, and is basically, most of Leona's damage. It's a lot more then you think and is a great asset if you can learn to use it correctly. I've used it for anything from improved last hitting to minion aggro generation away from the carrys. You just have to learn it.

I think if Leona was able to break her passive, it would kinda ruin the supportive mode she was mean to always be, and might changer her entire play style from support to damage dealer, which is not what her kit's for. We don't need an other ****ed tanky DPS.

Also, we needed something else from the basic auras and sustain passives. ect. I thought this was a great idea and was the basic concept that Leona would help the bursters. Just because she is a support doesn't mean Riot has to follow most of the support cliches. I like a break in the game and this one was fantastic in display and usage.

And last note before I end this, Leona and Karma are now the true good supports in the current meta in my opinion, just for the fact they have damage AND support, not just healing. They were meant for that and now dominate most games I play when I see one.

Possible change ideas I agree with, it would be nice to see some of those maybe used. To make her proc it for damage, no. Again like I said before, I don't want her changed to damage. And yes, she is a tank. Which is why she is beastly in bottom lane. Soraka can't take a hit. Leona can tank several and still stun lock. etc etc etc, you know all this. So why take something that works and try to change it for better OR worse? Keep the way things are and don't try to fix things that aren't broken.

My two cents, and hope this was helpful.

 
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11-09-2011

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Leona + An AD that knows how to break the passive in turns after each ability = TONS OF DAMAGE.
I'm going to take it you didn't read my what I wrote at all if your mentioning something so obvious.

 
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Originally Posted by Zerutal View Post
EDIT for post below:

Well, mostly I was reading through kinda quickly, was going to play a game, but got caught in this thread now. I got involved with Leona a while back, and she still remains my only support I can play well.

Her passive is designed to, and is basically, most of Leona's damage. It's a lot more then you think and is a great asset if you can learn to use it correctly. I've used it for anything from improved last hitting to minion aggro generation away from the carrys. You just have to learn it.

I think if Leona was able to break her passive, it would kinda ruin the supportive mode she was mean to always be, and might changer her entire play style from support to damage dealer, which is not what her kit's for. We don't need an other ****ed tanky DPS.

I mention a few times that that her passive is good and when it is used right it does add "Tons of damage" to your teams total damage in a fight. I don't want Leona to become another tanky DPS, in fact with her low ratios its impossible to do so no matter how much DPS gear you put on her, would never work.

The only thing about her passive that I have really focused on is that it 100% requires other people for it to work and it in no way benefits Leona like, I have listed, every other tank or supports champions passives do. Any change that will allow her to use it in some way, limited or otherwise, would put in line with ALL other champions in the game.

 
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And I can still see you haven't read what I have wrote properly.

I mention a few times that that her passive is good and when it is used right it does add "Tons of damage" to your teams total damage in a fight. I don't want Leona to become another tanky DPS, in fact with her low ratios its impossible to do so no matter how much DPS gear you put on her, would never work.

The only thing about her passive that I have really focused on is that it 100% requires other people for it to work and it in no way benefits Leona like, I have listed, every other tank or supports champions passives do. Any change that will allow her to use it in some way, limited or otherwise, would put in line with ALL other champions in the game.
That's the point through, other people. Leona's lore specifically says she's basically alive to protect people, and her passive kinda pushes players to do so, stick with others and do their job correctly.

Also, Leona has one thing other support don't have. She stacks with the amount of people you have in a team-fight on both teams. While Alistar can maybe pick one person to really go for, Leona can pick several at a time.

 
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11-09-2011

I would rather not have her proc her own passive, simply put the damage it brings to allies helps them secure kills, not Leona. In fact, the centric idea of Leona was to amplify her allies damage and 'suppress' the foes as much as possible, and she is so very good at this...

HOWEVER

You do make a good point, her passive on her own does nothing, and in respect to your ideas, I agree that something should be done that does not take away from the power that the passive does to her allies, but makes it beneficial to herself, so I propose something along the lines of the following:

- If any sunlight passives wear off enemies, she gains an increased health regeneration buff that refreshes upon other 'Sunlight's fading off foes
(This will immensely help her in lane for substain, she has the tankiness and presence but most tanks like Alistar and Shen have some sort of ability that keeps them around their ally, this change helps her heal off minions, champions, whatever)
- If any sunlight passives wear off, her cooldown on her Eclipse is reduced by 0.5 seconds each different passive fade
(Different from substain, simply put, this will increase the uptime on her bubble in all stages, should enemies not have their passives removed by Leona's Allies, she can keep up her bubble, which is her strongest AoE damage spell, up)

The above suggestions are some examples of how to make her passive partially useful to Leona on her own or whatever.

ANOTHER big concern, that most Leona players hate is the overlapping passives.

There is No Way for any Leona player in any battle situation, to perfectly set up all four passive procs of her abilities on a single target when she goes in with her teammates, conditions of battle typically only allow 2 and if you are lucky, 3 procs of the passive since you are shifting between stunning, bubbling, snaring, etc.

I would like it if the passives would STACK on each other on a target, still lasting 3.5 seconds of course, but at least when your AD carry is focusing that target, the passives would each proc again and again, enabling the full effect of her passive.

Personally, if they made her passive STACK, that would be good enough for me, the damage buff would be AMAZING in team-fights, and just what she would need to put aside any doubts of her actually needing a passive that helps her.

 
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Masticatorr ?? Senior Member
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11-09-2011

Stacking the passive is an amazing idea, and really does work with her kit. +1