yeah i main as panth and im not seeing a huge difference in me 3 shotting people with the combo...or the people who decide to WALK into HSS

Here's a link to the only red post I could find quickly:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...85#post1699285

At any rate, anecdotal evidence from actual gameplay so far points to agreement with this, it's worse, but not HUGELY worse. He's certainly still going to be viable in mid Elo, and still certainly not for high Elo premades, and he can't be with his current design because he's a melee burst champion who can't tank.

While fixing some issues with Spear Shot and Heartseeker Strike was kinda nice there buffs in general really did nothing after removing the only viable skill he has.

not even increasing the stun time (0.6 seconds with Merc boots) of Aegis really pissed me off. Also increasing the base damage on spear shot would also be nice; 70 at level 5? are you ****ing kidding me.

Edited my original post to reflect a response to this.

The change between old and new is considerably smaller when you have no damage items, and even at "many" (no wep dmg at all, obviously, cuz thats where the glitch was...) points the new one is better. I wouldn't call very little -> no bonus damage "many data points", but he is the riot poster not me.

As you add more attack damage items the gap becomes increasingly larger.
As you add more base damage the gap becomes mildly smaller.

In an all out worst case scenario you're going to be seeing about a 40% reduction in damage output.
In an average scenario you're going to see about a 20% reduction in damage output.
In the best possible scenario, i.e: you have no damage items to trigger the previous glitch (lol obviously) then the new HSS actually does more damage.

70 + 160% of AD... that's a lot better than, say, Parley and its 110 + 100% of AD.

Anyway, they did buff his stun, it is now 0.65 against Mercs instead of 0.6 ^__________^

OP is an idiot, Pantheon actually does more damage post patch. Meaning he's better.

LoL I hope you're trolling. It does more damage if you have NO DAMAGE ITEMS AT ALL. Which is obvious because the glitch was adding BONUS DAMAGE PER HIT. So... No bouns damage == no glitch?

Other than that, you're just blatantly and provably wrong.

The more non-base damage you add to the equation the greater the gap becomes between old damage and new damage. And yes, the gap does start with new one doing more damage... But if you don't understand why that is then you're a bit slow.

But the pirate has one of the best ultimates in the game, Free Cleanse every few seconds and its also feels alot more damaging when they hit me with it ;( 1k crits arent fun, that doesnt seem to happen with spear shot.

Oh, I know that Gangplank has other abilities. But Gangplank has to Parley to do any reliable damage, and Pantheon has HSS for that, so the spear is fine.

Honestly, if they are going to somehow strengthen Pantheon, it should just be raising the base damages AND lowering the percentages so that it's viable to build non-damage on him.

Pantheon still cuts out over half my health when not fed

qq over