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Que dodge penalty is flawed logic

 
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Hatsuma ?? Senior Member
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1) dissatisfaction with team make-up

2) one member of the team is afk/disconnected and never picks a toon

3) a friend signs on at the last minute and you'd rather team with a buddy.
1) This is why dodge penalties exist. Doing this in a matchmaking context is pretty much equivilant to constantly rolling a die until it lands on 6 in a board game. It's flat out cheating to try and game the system into giving you the best possible teammates, period. Matchmaking is random. You don't like it, go play practice or premade.

2) Wrong. If someone is true AFK, and they don't touch the application at all during champ select, it puts you all back in the queue. You're dodging people who are in game, but refuse to pick a champion ("hard random"). Then it's back to 1) above.

3) If this happens during the 1.5 minutes window that you are *actually* in champ select, tough.

 
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Carados ?? Senior Member
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1) This is why dodge penalties exist. Doing this in a matchmaking context is pretty much equivilant to constantly rolling a die until it lands on 6 in a board game. It's flat out cheating to try and game the system into giving you the best possible teammates, period. Matchmaking is random. You don't like it, go play practice or premade..
Strawman.

Try again.

 
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if you were truly good at this game you could carry even bad looking teams, que dodging from teams that dont follow "must pick these team comps or loose" ideals tells me they are BAD and dont have the skills to ever be good at this game. if i get a bad team i roll with it, i help them improve during the game if they are making mistakes. kost people see less skilled players and just flame them, they arent gonna stop making mistakes if they arent inclined to listen to you.

bad players are using que dodging to artifically increase their chances of wining rather than using their skills they are relying on others to carry them, they win 2-3 games, the difficulty increases and they feed hard, bringing 4 people down with them, the amount of people doing this means there is at least 1 or these players per team whos elo does not match their actual skill. more skilled players are getting the short end of the stick and having their hard work ruined by that 1 ****** on the team.

also que dodging is the reason for all the frequent MM downtime issues, the contant pilling on of 9 players back into que builds up with the amount of dodgers and eventually MM cant match fast enough and requires a restart. also when you are in que long enough epople outside your skill range become valid matches in attempts to get you into game, MM cant do its job cause it has to try and find you 3-4 games.

a win/loss affects your elo depending on the dificulty, one solution theory i have would be to have an elo adjustment to the next game if you dodged to get into it, they can stop leaching off others and learn to improve their own skills to progress properly. if people knew they wouldnt progress next game win or loose then their is no reason to que dodge a game unless its not gonna be fun or valid reason pops up, abusing the system to artifically progress is messing MM up.

TL : DR - STOP DODGING AND PLAY BETTER NOOBS

 
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Riot Jaya Riot Jaya's Avatar ?? Senior QA Analyst
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07-02-2010

I think of "Queue Dodge Penalty" as obligatory get up and use the restroom and/or grab a beer time. I mean, you'll have to get up eventually anyway...

 
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You're being punished because you broke the rules. Where's the flaw with that logic?

 
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mdigibou ?? Senior Member
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When you get those guys who are average or bad players and you can tell because they diss your champ saying he is bad. That's when i queue dodge, because it's obvious im about to be paired up against a good team, and theyre going to get massacred, leaving me at 10-3 at end game and being called a noob. This kind of thing happens at least one out of every 3 games.

I do think OP's 1.) is a bad idea, just play the game it's not like it really matters right now.

2.) and 3.) are much better reasons.

And whoever said playing a game with bad mates is not as bad as doing nothing for 15 minutes is compltely wrong. Banging your head on a keyboard and doing better than them is easily one of the most frustrating experiences as well, because if you try to surrender it is CERTAIN that they won't. One of my biggest pet peeves is wasting my time in hopelessness, and I would much rather wait 10 minutes doing nothing than 30-45 watching people be stupid and if I go AFK I get reported and penalized?
Sorry, one big run-on sentence.

Suggested fix:
First queue dodge penalty = 2 minutes
Second penalty = 8 minutes
3rd and subsequent = 1 hour.

Who queue dodges more than twice in a large period of time? Oh yea, trolls.

 
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Carados ?? Senior Member
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You're being punished because you broke the rules. Where's the flaw with that logic?
Please cite which rule is being broken.

 
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Collect3825 ?? Senior Member
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07-02-2010

TL;DR

Step 1: don't queue dodge
Step 2: stop posting about queue dodging
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!

 
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Carados ?? Senior Member
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TL;DR

Step 1: don't queue dodge
Step 2: stop posting about queue dodging
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Stop having fun playing a game!
fix'd

 
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fix'd
Cause not queue dodging makes the game less fun... Makes sense