Slacker using the level of play argument isn't persuasive for everyone.

You've stated you haven't done anything wrong since your suspension and so that's good.

Calling out bad players and such is ok it's how it's done that most ppl have an issue with.

If I see someone say hey bad move and the person qq's about it tha'ts not ban able to me, it has to cross the line.

As far as others on your team or the opposing team causing issues I'd love to ban them when they cross the line but were not allowed to do that and hope that they get reported and are referred to tribunal.

Always report someone after game if their crossing the line and hopefully they get punished and not just you when their the ones making it difficult as well.

No matter how justified someone feels when you rage your just as guilty.

Funny how you ignore all the true facts about tribunal being flawed, pathetic just shows that you guys can't defend those point of views that I am stating.

What 'facts' have you presented except your opinion and beliefs that you should have a right to rage and treat other players like complete and utter garbage.

RHREDEYES, Im on a 14 day suspension at the moment for being better than everyone I play with and complaining, its the community, this community is full of care bear bad players.. Thank God for DotA 2 realease. Also I never had a problem with HoN because the community knew when someone was bad and shunned them for it.

Funny how you say things I never said. Your just a pathetic useless troll, how about you go read the past 20 pages of this thread and maby if you have a brain you can interpret it well. Other than that go play some more custom and Coop AI games and be helpful to the community. Thats the kind of players I like going on tribunal, oh yeah.

Since you seem to believe we can't defend our point of view that you are wrong, I will do it, and you will ignore everything I say and claim I'm an unranked noob.

You are claiming the raging is criticism, which it is, but you learn the most from constructive criticism. I don't play ranked for the reasons you said, everyone in there BELIEVES that Raging = Constructive, but it's not, never has been, and never will be.

No, I only claimed that you are trying to prove that the tribunal is flawed. (It is, but so is everything else.) Why should your opposition defend YOUR point of view when it is massively flawed in this situation?

The Riot ToS Love Squad Argues:

1. You deserve it
2. You are scum so you are incorrect
3. The system is flawed, but we don't care, you are scum
4. I just want my IP and to make fun of everyone else because their account got banned and they are raging.
5. Read the rules, scum

Scum:

1. Don't know the grievance
2. Tribunal is biased
3. Not guilty (unlikely but still can probably happen)
4. Want a better system
5. Believe that "victims" should take steps to avoid brutish language (language filter) and verbal harassment (/ignore feature) before reports continue.
6. Argue that players who make mistakes (sometimes repeatedly) deserve to be told and that their game play affects them

This is a very basic summary of this entire thread. There are the idiot scums like RHRED... who's grammar, personality, and mannerisms are rigid and distasteful. There are those who argue blindly for a system they know is flawed. There are those who just want to know what they were banned for - and then there are those who need to grow a pair and realize that the internet is the internet.

Riot, you're trying to regulate a space that many games before you and after you have failed and will fail. By giving players the ability to punish other players, you are injecting a very dangerous bias into a system that affects people's accounts.

I'll agree on the fact that things like Leaving/AFKing, INTENTIONALLY w/ gameplay footage proof feeding, and INTENTIONALLY assisting the enemy team are very ban worthy and worth investigating.

In the case of raging/harassment/foul language, there are options for players who wish to avoid that to pursue those options. Fortunately they exist and should be used first!

The argument that, "you shouldn't be acting that way anyway" is valid. However, the critique is that "you shouldn't be making bad decisions every game and having people be upset with you" is alternatively true. The problem is the matchmaking system, and Riot trying to pander to all types of players.

You know why WoW live accounts have gone down? Because they keep pandering to casual players. This will kill your game. It is clear that there are two different types of players. There needs to be a better matchmaking system and it will cut down on these problems SIGNIFICANTLY.

The solution to this? The call from many who say the SCUMS provide no solution?

It's easy.
1. Do away with things like Verbal Harassment/Foul language at tribunal - EXCEPT - racial slurs and attempting to get around the filter (i.e. replacing the letter i with the number 1 in certain words to get around the system). Verbal Harassment is unlikely to continue if the player has been ignored, as in order to communicate outside the game you must friend them first which would be unlikely.

2. Only investigate leaving and INTENTIONALLY griefing with game play footage (ask google/amazon for memory space to record matches).

3. Inform players of the grievances against them, and allow feedback through the support system. Although action may not be reversed, at least earmark the rebuttals for future reference.

4. Utilize a better match making system and education system for players. The varying levels of skill and understanding current meta game is WILDLY varying. I have no idea for a better matchmaking system, that's why I paid you guys lots of money for silly skins and champions.

5. PLEASE DO NOT MATCH PEOPLE UP AGAIN IF THEY REPORT EACH OTHER UNSKILLED.

That is all.

edit: good was supposed to be google, fixed

Almost entirely unwarranted. I would replace it with:

1. Almost all suspensions and bans are warranted, but the recipients want to argue about them rather than change. Given the amount of misbehavior that it takes to receive a suspension or ban, the burden of proof is on the person claiming innocence.
2. Tribunal works, but could use some improvements, including more information .
3. Some people actually do need to be removed from the community.
4. The Summoner's Code is a good thing.
5. Players should not have to tolerate harassment and abuse. Turning on the chat filter is not an appropriate solution to this problem.

1. Argue that any and all behavior is appropriate because
[a] It's the Internet.
[b] There's a chat filter.
[c] Profanity is an integral part of all competitive endeavors.
2. Don't accept that other people have different view on what behavior is or is not acceptable.
3. Do not accept that Riot has the authority to establish behavioral guidelines so they can expand their player base.
4. Believe that paying money or being at a high rating makes a double standard acceptable.
5. Believe that profanity and harassment will somehow improve someone's play.
6. Want the Tribunal removed.
7. Accuse Riot of lying about the level of automation and/or review.

Actually, Cataclysm dropped subs because it was too hard and it drove out most of the casual players they had picked up during WotLK.

Communication is an integral part of the game. Players should not be forced to isolate themselves in order to "avoid" abuse. Further, when a player, especially a new player, has a negative experience with the game, they are more likely to seek other places to spend their entertainment dollar - places where they don't have to put up with jerks.

You seriously underestimate the technical requirements of doing this. Also, do you honestly expect jurors to watch 10-20 minutes of each match (that's accounting for fast-forwarding to the relevant spot)?

I agree that players should receive more information about their suspension or ban. I think that the Tribunal should be improved so that Riot can see specifically what jurors object to. In the vast majority of cases, however, I do not care what the accused has to say in their defense. I see the cases.

Agreed. Part of the problem with using Elo is that the system was never designed for team games (where the team is not static) or for games with variable rules. Even the slight difference between playing black or white in chess produces a measurable difference in Elo. The team concept is a step in the right direction.

This might cause delays in matchmaking, but I would like to see an actual way to choose not to play with someone.

Ulanopo, I want your babies.

Also.

Yes. To each point.

Except, that I would like to be able to record my games, even client side. The current mod for it is decent but seriously. Spectator mode + fraps just doesn't cut it. I won't settle for even a 1% rise in ping due to server side recording RAM usage. If in an alternate timeline I was suspended for being a troll and didn't deserve it, I could post the relevant video to prove my innocence.