I kind of like him the way he is and dont really think he needs a buff or change. Key too playing him well is too get mana regen items and only use his Ap attack and his normal attack (use that too harass). Whats cool about him is he can be built as a tank because after soulstealer you really dont need +ap items on him. In pro games ill roll around late game with a 3500 hp veiger with 300 or so ap, most of witch is due too Q spam. a good veiger can get +6 ap per creep wave if hes left there and his team dont clear out the wave. Only promblem I have is team mates farming on a lane where im AP farming

I like Veigar. I recently had a game with him where I hit 600 ability power. As long as you're consistently farming AP with q, and you're careful about getting ganked, he can turn into a lategame powerhouse. He's like a caster-carry.

To everyone saying it's impossible to get more than 40 AP from q, you just need to treat him more like a long-term farmer. Once you level q all the way up, you gain 1 ability point every 5 seconds. 6-10 AP every minute is not unreasonable. I've done it in a lane. At that rate, you'll farm 150+ over the duration of a game. Supplement that with that ring that adds 25%, and his q skill becomes truly powerful.

Very effective imo. With the right items, he can pump out an 800+ dark matter every 10 seconds.

I agree that Veigar has a lot of counter-intuitive elements and needs to be fixed.

You are NOT going to get 1 AP every 5 seconds past the laning stage unless you chose to stay the whole game in a lane (i.e. be of no help to the team) or you have a soraka in a lane.

The only other option is that you KS all champion kills with your low damage Q skill, which implies a lot of other things

Veigar has a lot of great concepts in him and I want him to work. But there's a lot of counter-synergistic elements in his current incarnation.

He has two different spells that have an on-kill rider. Neither of these are his laning skill. This is a huge problem. You have two really awesome spells, but it's your third spell that your hero is designed around, and that third spell prevents you from using the two awesome ones. Basically every well-placed optimal use of meteor or his ult is 5 AP he didn't get, permanently (either one hero kill or 5 creep kill, rough estimate). I also suspect that 5 creep kill with net you enough cash to purchase way more than 5 AP, which means his defining feature is sub-optimal to use.

I'm fine with tactical decisions and slightly anti-synergistic heros taking some more thought to use. But Veigar really doesn't let you use very much of your character at all.

I'd like to see his stun cage duration increased, and have people who remain inside (as opposed to running out and getting stunned) be silence for the duration. Also (and I'm not sure this isn't already the case) I'd like to see dark matter have a big enough aoe to hit the entire cage size, as well as along the edges to hit heroes that run out and get stunned. This could also be accomplished by shrinking the aoe of the cage?

They should get rid of his useless +AP per attack for 8 seconds passive and replace it with perma +AP per kill, but either:

-Add a short cooldown timer after every activation

Or

-Make it so that the amount of +AP is different depending on the skill you use; +1 for his Q and R Skills, +0.5 for his Dark Matter.