Originally Posted by Ardailec

The champs you picked OP aren't bad, you just ran into bad players. The fact that you nominated Warwick just highlights this.

The current meta right now is TankyDPS/Attack Damage Casters are king. Who do they counter? Usually the squishier, but very powerful carries.

Veigar is in an unfortunate position because in order to be strong he needs to farm minions with his Q. Unlike Nasus who has a similar mechanic, he's as soft as a feather pillow. Also, unlike say Xereth, who also does not have an escape and is soft he has a much smaller range.

On the AD side we have a similar issue. What AD carry has no flash, dash, or passive movement speed? The answer is Ashe, Kog'maw and Twitch. Looking at those three however, Ashe is understandably the weakest due to Kog's range and Percent based damage and Twitch has his Stealth.

Finally, there is Mundo. Mundo...is in this weird place right now. In an era where Most if not all Bruisers have a form of gap-closer Mundo has his Cleaver and his Ultimate, which is nerfed due to the crystal aura. He cannot build straight damage or he'll just die, but he cannot build straight tank because He'll be ignored until everyone else is dead. And so far trying to hybridize with him hasn't really proven effect.

TLR, Veigar Ashe and Mundo due to power creep and unfriendly mechanics in Dom.

Originally Posted by Draydan

Well, its not just my opinion, how I already wrote. Its observations in 550+ games.

Originally Posted by Panwar

Regardless of how many games it's still your opinion. Teemo is situational. Against right-clickers he is awesome. Against AD casters and some others he is pretty poor. Shen sucks. Bad players aside Warwick is pretty dang strong. I don't get the 1v1 thing. WW is one of the best 1v1'ers in the game.

Originally Posted by Draydan

Its not my opinion, its my observation. You know the difference, I suppose.

I made XLS table with information about games played. With weak and strong champs etc.

Teemo and Warwick didnt shine alot in my gamesafter 1400-1500. They did sometimes and that surprised me alot. But it always were with good _coordinated_ teams behind them.

Originally Posted by Draydan

Its not my opinion, its my observation. You know the difference, I suppose.

I made XLS table with information about games played. With weak and strong champs etc.

Teemo and Warwick didnt shine alot in my gamesafter 1400-1500. They did sometimes and that surprised me alot. But it always were with good _coordinated_ teams behind them.