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ZeekVerita ?? Junior Member
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02-10-2012

Poor Vlad. I use to be a Vlad player in the early days, then he got nerfed so I stopped playing, Then buffed so I took him up again. Seems like I gotta put him back into the closet. But I am happy about the shen buffs

 
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02-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Samurai Squash View Post
I can understand wanting to lower Soraka's ability to infinite-sustain her own mana. As a Soraka player, I know that it's nearly impossible to run out of mana with her, and I get the reasoning behind nerfing it.
But taking it away entirely? I don't feel like that was necessary. Even with maxing Infuse first and Astral Blessing second, the heal eats mana like crazy. Starcall never had and never would dent Soraka's mana pool, and Infuse is stronger, safer harass anyway. Geting close enough to a champion to use Starcall to harass means you ALWAYS take more damage than you end up doing. Making it cost less WILL NOT make up for the lack of Infuse mana.
Usually I'm willing to just accept nerfs to the champions I play because I know you know better than me. In this case however, I feel like it's gone too far. Make it give her only half the mana it gives allies. Give her more incentive to use it for damaging the enemy instead of sustain. Anything, ANYTHING would be better in my eyes, than taking away her self-sustain entirely.
I really hope I don't regret buying a skin for her last week.
Now you know how eve players felt when they took her stun

 
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Bäsho ?? Senior Member
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02-10-2012

Gotta give this one to RIOT they are very clever.

Gives Vlad a buff just in time for his Legendary Skin.

Then nerf again after they leeched enough money.

 
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Devinatiol ?? Senior Member
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02-10-2012

sona is a bit op for a support but (change karma) yeah her heal sucks early on, but her ablity to harass is crazy if your laning with anyone who can deal dmg. omg though vlad is a weak champ unless he majorly fed, his ult doesnt do **** his most useful spell is transfusion because it keeps him in lane, BUT YES SHEN BUFF !!!!

 
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Specopcleric ?? Senior Member
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02-10-2012

Shen buff. That's all that matters. Sona and Soraka are just not worthy enough to be considered on level with Shen... but then again, few are.

 
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willjin ?? Junior Member
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02-10-2012

First they came for Soraka's locket... and I did not speak, she could still heal.

Then they came for her heals... and I was silent, I had CDR runes.

Now they come for her Infusion... an... WTF?? **** THIS ****!!!

 
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Noxious Seraph ?? Senior Member
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02-10-2012

+1 Shen buffs,
-1 soraka infuse nerf (soraka is now unplayable)
+1 sona nerfs (needed)
-2 vald nerfs Seriously not needed. His ult is what made him viable late game, nerf that and you nerf his viability.

 
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Kotetsuya ?? Member
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02-10-2012

Here we go Riot. Ima do some of your work for you.

[CENTER]"How to balance Vladimir."


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Increase the Range and Cooldown on his Q (Transfuse) ability.
-Reasoning: Almost all other Casters out their have pokes with astronomically larger ranges than his Q, however, they ALSO have a Longer (<--- Edited) cooldown. This will lower his sustain, but also help him poke like he should be able to as well.

Remove the Movement Speed Buff to W (Sanguine Pool).
-Reasoning: Really, there is no need to have this here in the first place. If removed, it would have to be used in a much more tactical way, because if you pop it to chase someone, you had better be sure you will catch them, or it's Bye bye 20% of your Current life and your main escape move for 20 seconds.

RE-Increase the health cost on his E (Tides of Blood), and Decrease the amount of time it takes for stacks to run out.
-Reasoning: The health cost on this spell is a joke compared to how much damage it does. It needs to be much harder of a choice to keep your stacks in it, as it will be a constant, noticeable drain on your health. Also, compared to the extended range on his Q, he would be forced to get in close to pop an E, therefore putting himself in potential danger.

Decrease the Area of Effect on his R (Hemoplague), and drop the damage percentage to 10%.
-Reasoning: Hemoplague is one of the best ults in the game for the simple reason that it increases all incoming damage from ALL SOURCES by a whopping 15%. Couple this with a few other AoE Ults and you have yourself one dead enemy team. With the decreased AoE, the player must decide who is the more important target to take the increased damage. Dropping the Damage Percentage to 10% is also quite nessisary. A level 6 Vladimir can still be a huge help to his team when facing a level 18 Team. It doesn't matter what level you are, 15% damage is a staggering amount that easily turns many team fights.

And lastly, remake his passive all together.
-Reasoning: Simply put, Vladimir is a great ,"Comeback Kid". This is largely due to the fact that when purchasing items, he gets much more gold value out of the item, as it may give him extra life that comes from nowhere for his AP (Or visa versa, but who goes HP Vlad anyway... >.>)

Example: If you were to buy a Rabadon's Deathcap and nothing else on him, That would give him a total of 140 AP Plus the extra 30% bonus. In total, he would get 182 AP. Due to his passive, he would also get 254.8 HP. That is more the equivalent of a Permanent Elixir of Fortitude at level 18. (Minus the attack damage of course.) Assuming there is around 30 minutes left in the game, that is equal to around 1875 BONUS GOLD that comes from NOWHERE! (Assuming you would buy a Fort Pot Every 4 minutes for the rest of the game.) Keep in mind, this is JUST for a Deathcap. This does not include items like Rylai's, Abyssal Scepter, Hourglass, Etc. Not to mention, Deathcap's bonus will effect those too, giving EVEN BIGGER gold value to already good-value items.

[CENTER]-------- Consider This: ---------[/CENTER]

Consider making it something like Ahri's Passive. After several spell casts, he gets increased spell vamp on one of his abilities. It fit's his style and serves a useful purpose as well.


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I'm not going to say this is the BEST way to balance Vladimir, because I don't have all of the numbers, however from what I have seen, these things would make a good bit of difference without destroying him as a champion.[/CENTER]



[EDIT:] And for the record, I just want to say that out of the 600ish Games I've played, Nearly half of those were of Vladimir (Post Nerf-buff-nerf) I enjoy playing with him, and I will continue to do so, but I get sick and tired of being called "OP" when I have the experience under my belt to know wtf I'm doing with him.

 
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TisTheWay ?? Senior Member
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02-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Leon Leonhart View Post
...Why not instead of nerfing them, buffing the not so powerful supports? Why does it has to come to the nerf. This will only make Soraka/Sona get less picked and two others supports will take the central stage. What will you do if for the few coming months/tournaments, the most powerful supports are Alistar and Taric? Will you nerf them as well? Eventually we will get something like this 'We thought Soraka heals were too high, so now from rank 1 to 4 it heals 30 HP and at rank 5 it heals 100". I know I'm exaggerating but geez, just stop nerfing already.
because it will take to much time to buff them when they only have to nerf 2 characters

 
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Devinatiol ?? Senior Member
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02-10-2012

oh we need a new support champ.... lets nerf our current supports (WE ARE COMEING FOR YOU TARIC, JANNA, ZILLEAN, and well no other hard supports, since nidalee is more dmg, lux never was even close to support and teemo wth does he do for support, map awareness and nothing else, galio is a tank who has a sheild that doesnt help the ally as much as it helps himself, and how often do you see in an average game a morg use her black sheild on an ally, Kayles heal is ****, and Karma lol its a funny joke she needs changed alot I mean shes a good character but needs some reworking.)