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Xypherous; You're my last hope

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Norak ?? Senior Member
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02-16-2012

You seem to be the only Rioter that responds to the common man. You're the last of your kind after Shurelia left and it's left a bitter taste in my mouth. I've had the same cause for a little over half a year and the responses from Riot employees has steadily fallen from 3-4 Riot employees to 0. I know for a fact that I will be downvoted for the topic of this thread; this community has had a hate in their eyes for anything but "the meta" for the past while, but that's no reason to hold my opinion away from the world.

AP Tryndamere has been brutally murdered since July 25th, 2011. Despite all my attempts to keep him viable, despite all the responses I received from Riot employees consoling me that he would be kept viable after the Tryndamere remake; He's dead. Ever since the remake there has only been a single Riot employee to (officially) reply to me; Shurelia. She's gone now and I have no one left backing me. Tamat has (unofficially) told me that he's sure I'm not being cast aside, which has brought my hopes up. I'm just hoping he wasn't saying it as a professional; but rather a fellow player.

AP Tryndamere was by far the most fun (and most successful) build I have ever used. It's possible that it just suited my playstyle extremely well, it's possible it was overpowered, it's possible it was completely balanced. People were finally starting to appreciate AP Trynd for the strength he provided to the game. Despite the recent scarcity in replies to me, I'm not giving up hope. AP Trynd had too much promise; too much potential.

I'm used to the comments. "ap trynd was never viable noob" or "lol riot buff AP Garen", every single time I make a thread about AP Trynd, or any unconventional build for that matter, I get comments like this. I'm bored of them and I honestly don't think I can force myself to respond to them anymore. I will however, answer questions about AP Trynd, if anyone is interested whilst I wait for Xyph to respond (wishful thinking, I know).

Something I have learned over various AP Trynd threads, if I don't post a picture of AP Tryndamere I am called a troll, downvoted even more than I usually am and requested it anyway. So, as arrogant as it may sound, I'm gonna just upload the picture now.

TL;DR:
AP Trynd was amazing, fun and, despite what many believe(d), viable. No Riot employees caring about the common man have been around since Shurelia left. All my attempts at getting AP Trynd looked at have, as far as I can tell, been cast asunder. This is why you're my last hope, Xypherous.

[EDIT: 17/10/2012] The attachment disappeared. Reuploaded.
Thanks,
Norak.

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Major Nuker ?? Senior Member
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02-16-2012

What about Iron Stylus?

And Ap tryn was always troll and always will be troll. It has NO synergy with his kit. Sorry.

EDIT: And it has nothing with you as a player, or your skill...but he's MEANT to be played one way. Every champ is meant to be played a certain way, MAYBE two or three.

Tryn is not one of the latter.

 
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Norak ?? Senior Member
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I'm not even going to try and consider why it could have worked. I'm just going to downvote and say you're wrong.
Sigh..

 
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What about Iron Stylus?

And Ap tryn was always troll and always will be troll. It has NO synergy with his kit. Sorry.

EDIT: And it has nothing with you as a player, or your skill...but he's MEANT to be played one way. Every champ is meant to be played a certain way, MAYBE two or three.

Tryn is not one of the latter.
He's in the art department. He doesn't tinker with in-game mechanics/numbers.

 
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Lacion ?? Senior Member
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Bump for nonstandard but effective builds. I've seen your match history before Norak, it's pretty amazing.

And speaking for we AD Tryn players, we'd really like something too. Like, being at all effective.

In fact, Morello was asking about meta breakers. If you revert Tryn to exactly as he was pre-rework, he'll likely stomp over most usual tanky DPS solo top (with exceptions being Garen and Nasus). He gets ruined by many ranged AD, which is a good reason to send them top, opening up bot+support lane for AD melee (which is a horribly bad and underused category at the moment).

Oh, and Norak? Props for fighting the good fight. Just because things aren't "the way they should be" doesn't mean they should be nerfed because of it. I was worried you'd given up after having not seen you for a while.

Tryndamere bro-fist. Wha-chunk!

 
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Norak ?? Senior Member
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Oh, and Norak? Props for fighting the good fight. Just because things aren't "the way they should be" doesn't mean they should be nerfed because of it. I was worried you'd given up after having not seen you for a while.

Tryndamere bro-fist. Wha-chunk!
I almost did give up. It took a lot of effort to draw the motivation to make the last AP Trynd thread awhile ago, this one is probably grasping at straws, so it might be my last. Thanks for the support, as always Lace.

 
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Lacion ?? Senior Member
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I almost did give up. It took a lot of effort to draw the motivation to make the last AP Trynd thread awhile ago, this one is probably grasping at straws, so it might be my last. Thanks for the support, as always Lace.
*shudder* Do people really shorten my handle to that? Eeeurgh. That 'c' is supposed to be a 'ch' sound.

A repost of my words from the last thread of this:

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Tryn's biggest problem with his underlying mechanics is that he has to have fury to get fury. Previously, if he was at low health (when he needed Bloodlust stacks most) he could get them easily due to his high crit chance. Nowadays, his fury generation follows a vaguely parabolic curve (the rate increases as he gets more) which would be vaguely okay except that the cap at 100 fury is too low to take advantage of it, plus the fact that he doesn't benefit nearly as much from being at low health.

Tryndamere (I believe) was intended to be an "increasing momentum" champion, similar to Olaf; he gains more effectiveness as he gets to low health and said effectiveness is what keeps him alive. His ult is there for when they have too much damage for him to survive off his momentum or for being focused in team-fights.

Unfortunately, the current way his passives work doesn't support that; as as soon he burns his Fury stacks he loses much of his capability to gain them back, ruining his momentum.

I think the best fix for this situation would be to return to having his damage tied to having high Fury and having his crit chance tied to having low health. This would return his style as a momentum champion and bring back the "on-the-edge" gameplay that he promotes.

One other issue with him is that the increased cooldown on Bloodlust's active makes him much more frustrating to play. Even with Ionian Boots of Lucidity (which I have started building on him recently when I haven't needed Mercury Treads) I'm usually looking at a ~10 second cooldown. Now, this means that if I'm in a risky situation in which I might need to use my ult, I can't afford to use Bloodlust unless I'm sure I can stay alive for another five seconds, as I will be unable to heal after the end of Endless Rage which in many situations could cause my death.

This could be dealt with with a simple lowering of the Bloodlust active's cooldown, but if that would cause problems with too much lane sustain then having Endless Rage somehow interact with Bloodlust's cooldown could work.

Also, I wouldn't mind having some of that bonus crit damage back; it meant that he could actually do surprising damage early game with some stacks.

But above all these other things, there's one thing I want most:

Bring back his old critical hit sound effect! I loved that; I've been programmed to associate that with awesome things, and that wha-chunk meant "ha-ha, you just got owned".

 
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Lacion ?? Senior Member
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Should it be "No-Rock" in a klingon style, or "Nor-ick" like Yorick?

 
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Alas, the super carries have gone the way of the dodo.
I dunno how they'd fix Tryndy anymore. I'm assuming your suggestions would be total AD on spinning slash and dealing magic damage?

 
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Alas, the super carries have gone the way of the dodo.
I dunno how they'd fix Tryndy anymore. I'm assuming your suggestions would be total AD on spinning slash and dealing magic damage?
Old Spin would be great, but the perfect changes would involve decreasing the cooldown of bloodlust by 1-3 seconds, decreasing the base heal to compensate. That allows Trynd to use his Q, ult, then use his Q again (currrently it's still on CD and you are running around with 1hp for 1-3 seconds until Q is back up), but it stops Trynd from just mega sustaining in lane. Also, spin needs to be reverted. Magic damage, higher base damage. The cd can be left higher (it went up by a few seconds).

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Should it be "No-Rock" in a klingon style, or "Nor-ick" like Yorick?
Sweet Jesus, I never realised there was so many ways to pronounce my name, it's Nor-rak, but you can probably chop that up to my Aussie accent.