Originally Posted by Wingsofdeathx
Udyr vs irelia is probably one of the most lopsided matchups in league. Even before sustain nerfs. You could counterpick irelia, people just forgot about udyr. Irelia has a nice stun and is pretty tanky with CCRED which is perfect for diving. Shes viable but you're trying to make her sound like shes unplayable because you cant first pick her all the time and be safe 95% of the time? Her late game and lvls 5-9+ are pretty similar to how they were before if you get there. No one picked her for her early game so if you can get by with her early game, why not pick her?
I am not denying she isn't viable, that she can't lane. But she definitely isn't viable in the same sense.
I didn't have much trouble with Udyr pre-nerf, freeze the lane under tower since it's VERY hard to roam with Udyr he has trouble shoving you in.
Her lategame and midgame definitely hasn't changed as much, but it's noticable that her W heals less than her rank 2 did prenerf.
And it's also undeniable that she does get items way later, because IF she does get camped early there is only a slight chance of making a comeback, because as you said, she can't just LOLheal her up again unlike Udyr and champions alike.