Originally Posted by ObscureClockwork

also, cassiopeia still has to fight in her face (700 range one E max) yet still is less tanky. you could argue mobility, but as your said, perma slows and gap closers make them void regardless

Originally Posted by Clovis5119

I'm glad you brought up Cassiopeia. Her range is higher but it's true that she still has to get in fairly close for her E. However, her ult is simply amazing when used properly and Ryze doesn't have that sort of controlling power. She also has the AoE slow and the +25% movement speed from her Q - still sometimes underwhelming because of gap-closers and slows, true, but still much better than Ryze as far as mobility is concerned.

To be fair, Cassiopeia is only an exceptionally strong lategame champion when played properly. I think the issue people have with Ryze is that he is also a strong lategame champ, except requires little skill.

Originally Posted by Geonde

Yes, he's strong. However, his early game is so ridiculously bad.

I think that makes up for it.

Originally Posted by Arc insanity

Ryze is fairly strong, his dmg output is more similar to AD champions than AP, but he does magic dmg. The main reason complaints are made is because he is so easy to use compared to other champs that do similar to more dmg then him. All his moves are targeted missiles(except R) while other champions with similar dmg output (irelia, lee sin, kennen [imo]) all have more difficult skills to land.

This makes Ryze a good pubstomp champion in low elo, just like any easy to use champion (tryndamere). the difference is Ryze is MORE balanced then tryndamere, in that he is viable against skilled players aswell.

Also compared to every other AP caster Ryze has substantially less mobility and range, he would be op if u could just build mana and win, but ryze cannot beat any one without defensive items since ryze's range forces every altercation to be a dmg trade, unlike other AP carries who burst and get out with minimal dmg taken.

Additionally the op's build is bad, void staff is a terrible item on ryze since he has an MR shred, Wota is ok but not great and archangels is a waist of money geting mana mune is cheaper and increases the speed of filling a tear. with the money you would spend on wota + void you could get ROA and have more dmg and survivability in 1 less item slot.

Originally Posted by Clovis5119

I agree with your post except about the build. How is Void Staff a terrible item? Spell Flux reduces enemy magic resistance by 24 - how does that validate not picking up a Void Staff. Getting an RoA would not be more damage/survivability than WotA + Void unless the enemy team has no MR and is constantly using healcuts on you.

And how is Manamune better than Archangel's Staff? AA is 50 more mana and will give an endgame Ryze with 4k mana an extra 165 ability power. Even if Ryze doesn't scale amazingly with AP, I'll take that over the attack damage.

I was once in a blind pick match as Ryze vs. another Ryze. He started better than I did but he built an RoA and Manamune, and no Void Staff, just as you mentioned. I used the build I listed in the 1st page, and completely destroyed him late game and had a much stronger presence in team fights.

Originally Posted by Painguin22

There haven't been loads of Ryze OP threads, they have all been created by the same forum troll.

Originally Posted by ObscureClockwork

this is again, just cost ratios, not to be taken in as real math