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Last Whisper vs Black Cleaver

 
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PriorityOne ?? Senior Member
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04-11-2012

OP is correct on every point but downvote train cannot be stopped.

 
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TNine27 ?? Senior Member
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04-11-2012

People forget that beyond armor penetration, Black Cleaver also gives 15 more AD and 30% AS. Also, armor reduction affects your entire team, while armor penetration only affects you.

IMO, BC is generally better, but it's also much more expensive.

 
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Enterti ?? Senior Member
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04-11-2012

Midgame and early black cleaver will do more damage and help your whole team do damage. Later on pending how much arpen you have you may want to sell for last whisper, as the sale cost of blackcleaver alone will get you it. However if you have a lot of armor pen in your runes/masteries and perhaps some build into your champion, and if your opponents are not above say 150-180 building a ghostblade along side the cleaver will give you a huge dps boost.

 
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JandleCack ?? Junior Member
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04-11-2012

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Originally Posted by Hoshino Tetsuro View Post
Nope, more like 83.8% of the time.
I think you forgot to carry the armor shredding into the dirigible function, it actually fluctuates from 60% to 84%.

 
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Ixionas ?? Senior Member
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04-11-2012

Its just a case of reduction vs penetration. If I can reduce a squishy's armor to 10 with 3 stacks of BC, thats more than 40% penetration. You also get more attack damage, and attack speed on top of that. The 200 armor math involves the attack speed and extra attack damage, although probably not the extra 700 gold. Black cleaver is more efficent at killing squishy targets, and it does it for your entire team. In just the armor passives, It breaks even at 112.5 armor, and then you can factor the attack speed and damage.

 
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WorstTristNA ?? Senior Member
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04-11-2012

To me if you're ad carrys kit revolves around auto attacks you should get a BC asap. If you rely more on burst from skills you should get LW. Like BC on Ezreal would be a terrrrrible idea, but on Vayne or Twitch...its an option.

 
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Eph289 ?? Senior Member
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04-11-2012

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Originally Posted by SticklerMac View Post
Umm, one does magic damage one does physical damage. One penetrates armor while the other has to fight MR.

Why are you even comparing these items?

This is the same things as saying

"Bveil is superior to Sunfire Cape. They both give health, but bveil gives you the bubble."

The items have different purposes.

EDIT: Yep, downvoted by OP for pointing out the glaring flaws in his argument. This is expected.
You're downvoted because you can't read or you have no idea what the Last Whisper does.

Carries need Last Whisper to kill tanks and bruisers. They're the only ones who can reliably do it lategame because Crit+AD+AS overcomes all defenses if it has LW. Black Cleaver is too situational for me to get it much, except maybe on Corki.

It's a midgame item that doesn't scale well and requires me to attack something 4 times in a row to do full effect. MEH.

 
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Enterti ?? Senior Member
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04-11-2012

Also upvoting, because while i may not agree completely with the op or his slightly patronizing attitude i think that this is a good topic for discussion.

 
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04-11-2012

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Originally Posted by Moral Panic View Post
Doesn't Qtpie go BC on Corki?
Corki is a special case. He already has two forms of armor shred.

 
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pkoli ?? Member
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04-11-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by SticklerMac View Post
Umm, one does magic damage one does physical damage. One penetrates armor while the other has to fight MR.

Why are you even comparing these items?

This is the same things as saying

"Bveil is superior to Sunfire Cape. They both give health, but bveil gives you the bubble."

The items have different purposes.

EDIT: Yep, downvoted by OP for pointing out the glaring flaws in his argument. This is expected.
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