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TBG RomeFreak ?? Member
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04-22-2012

Nothing. How come Riot? I truly believe this would be a beneficial item. No joke. On many occasions I find that I need both MR and Armor. Although the GA is a great item, it just doesn't offer adequate magic resist in my opinion. Just an idea, but maybe we can change QSS so that it get's built from Negatron Cloak and Chainvest. Unless throwing in a completely new item forged with these two items is possible. It's a thought, I'm sure it would be a widely used item in the meta. Can we please think about it?

Negatron Cloak = 740g
Chainvest = 700g
Roman Battle Suit (name I'm giving it.) = 600 upgrade cost for a total of 2040g.
Unique Passive Aura - Near by allies gain +4% movement speed and 15 armor 10 MR.

 
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Yuan Shikai ?? Senior Member
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There should NOT be one item to satisfy all MR and Armor needs, that is just too much.

 
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There should NOT be one item to satisfy all MR and Armor needs, that is just too much.
For the cost though? At the right price everything can be reasonable.

 
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There should NOT be one item to satisfy all MR and Armor needs, that is just too much.
I don't think it would be too powerful, with 45/40 of each stat for example (null magic mantel instead of negatron cloak, quite a bit of combining gold), its not going to be over powered. Frozen heart, Thornmail, and randuins omen (even GA) would destroy it in the armor compartment, BV's passive (and giving health) and FoN would outclass it for magic resist.

 
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I don't think it would be too powerful, with 45/40 of each stat for example (null magic mantel instead of negatron cloak, quite a bit of combining gold), its not going to be over powered. Frozen heart, Thornmail, and randuins omen (even GA) would destroy it in the armor compartment, BV's passive (and giving health) and FoN would outclass it for magic resist.
So my question to you is, would you buy this item? What would you fix about it?

 
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Passive 11% AoE speed? Please no...

 
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Passive 11% AoE speed? Please no...
Yea I was thinking that number was way to high, just throwing the basic idea out there. How about 4%-7%, seem more reasonable?

 
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Yea I was thinking that number was way to high, just throwing the basic idea out there. How about 4%-7%, seem more reasonable?
Janna's passive is very strong and its only 3%, 2 quints give 3% and they are fairly strong, that seems fairly reasonable to give 3% AOE. I would say 5% at the maximum.

 
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Janna's passive is very strong and its only 3%, 2 quints give 3% and they are fairly strong, that seems fairly reasonable to give 3% AOE. I would say 5% at the maximum.
Thanks for those numbers I appreciate it.

I'm going to edit the movespeed increase.

 
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For the cost though? At the right price everything can be reasonable.
No it isn't.

1. This game is balanced in part around limited slot space and an eventual limit to snowballing.

2. A strong armor+magic resistance item could make carry itemization too easy. With only the standard defensive slot a carry player could greatly increase the effective benefits they are getting from lifesteal (the health lasts much longer).

3. Defensive itemization is designed to be powerful, but require different pieces and horizontal building to effectively build up. This oversimplifies it (which is usually a bad thing because carries benefit too much from over simplified and powerful defensive items). I used to be one of the players asking for exactly the type of item suggested in this post before I started to understand to thoroughly how item mechanics actually work.

4. This type of suggestion almost always turns into some kind of stackable stat stick .Riot doesn't make stat sticks unless they have to for itemization to work, and only ranged ad carries really have stat sticks at this point because they would be broken with too many diverse utilitarian items.

5. Armor+magic resistance in a single item could potentially be too strong early.

6. We don't need more Aegis of the Legion-like passives. Xypherous mentioned in the item suggestion thread that stacking such items would be very strong, but the effects would not be easily noticed by the other team. This results in games where a team loses due to a potentially op increase in free defenses on the opposing squishy champion, and for the losing team it would be unclear why they lost. This is likely the main reason why Aegis of the Legion is limited to a mid-tier item, and based on its patch history the Aura of Aegis of the Legion has been nerfed a lot culminating in a remake of the item. Clearly the item was broken with very high aura numbers.

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