I actually think Graves is the most dominant ad bot laner.

While his buckshot is dodgable, it has no cast time or delay. He also duels in lane better than any other champ with makes Graves-Soraka and Graves-Taric a stupidly powerful lane.

It just doesn't make a lot of sense for the highest health AD with the highest armor/MR to have the highest burst.

wow that one isnt even funny...

Freaking hilarious

Okay, Graves may be tanky in the early, but once you reach late game he is easily focused and killed. I don't know how many times I've been playing Graves with heavy burst damage and not been able to use it in a team fight (where yes, it does work great) because I get knocked, stunned and focused out the ears...

Yeah, Graves does start the game better than some other champs, but those champs are the other squishy AD's who don't start with the armor. But in the end, they are all squishy and focused easily and killed.

My opinion on Graves is that he is fairly powerful, but the buckshot really doesn't do much unless you are another ranged AD carry. Even as a squishy Riven, you can easily take the hit at lvl 4, and then pummel him in melee. He is an excellent counter to turret-like AD carries such as Ashe or MF, but most people are balanced against him, and he'll crumple like a tin can against agile carries like Vayne or Ezreal.

Maybe you just tend to play the champions that he's good against? (I know that I tend to play agile champs, so I view him as food, but I recognize that's part of who I play, not who he is.)

You have played against tanks in this game right? They have the highest health AND do more damage than most AD carries early to mid game to the point AD carries are useless end game because the tanks have dominated them up to that point.

Also: Vayne has the highest burst and highest mobility and multiple "get out of jail free" cards if **** goes south. Don't even talk to me about Graves being the best AD range out there because you run face first into his attacks and allow him to use all of his kit on his terms and not yours.

Lol I'd hate to see what you'd have said about release graves when at level six he could literally Buck shot collateral damage a tank with full hp and kill them right now he's in what I'd consider a sweet spot he's viable enough to play but not quite strong enough to deserve a nerf

I suppose stacking armor is completely out of the question for some reason?

Also Graves puts himself at huge risk for doing the damage buckshot does, being right in your enemies face is pretty much a death sentence depending on who he's up against. A hard CC as soon as he dashes in and hes a dead man.

Not mention buckshot has been nerfed so I don't know where the hell you were when Graves first came out with his non-nerfed buckshot.

Long story short: Quit QQing and L2counter properly.

Works like a shotgun the closer you are the more bullets that hit you = more damage plain and simple.