Originally Posted by Silvermilk

Speeding yourself up is different than slowing an enemy down. Very different. You can also say that Yi is a decent tank because he can get to his target fast without being hampered as well. And trying to gank a tank Garen 5v1 is tempting because everyone assumes him to be built dps. Other tanks handle attempted ganks better with a higher chance of living afterwards. See: Amumu, Rammus, Mundo, Galio, Nasus, Nunu, at times Vlad, Blitz, hell... every actual "tank".

About never seeing a good DPS Garen, I've never seen $1,000,000 in one place before. It must not exist.

Originally Posted by Silvermilk

About never seeing a good DPS Garen, I've never seen $1,000,000 in one place before. It must not exist.

Originally Posted by Ssraeshza

Extremely fallacious thinking right there.

I've never seen a triangular monitor, it must not exist. ---> Sarcasm implying that it does exist and is just as good.

False. Monitors are rectangular or square for a reason.

On topic:
Garen is fine, I see him in ranked play all the time.

Originally Posted by Norak

I have seen so many of these threads lately and I am sick of it.

You guys must be too, right?
Everyday there is a new one complaining about any and everything related to Garen, even complaining about people who complain about Garen being OP or UP.

I thought I would share with all of the people who are bad at Garen how I, and the people who are good at Garen, feel about your QQ threads:

Garen has a passive that gives him better hp regen than Mundo, when out of combat.
Garen has a haste ability with an attached silence.
Garen has an anti-slow(/apparently snare, but I believe that he still can be snared) ability that deals damge in an AoE.
Garen has an ability that gives him armor and magic resistance and can be activated for % damage reduction.
Garen has an ult that is deals damage based off how much hp the target is missing.
Garen's abilities scale terribly late game.
Garen does not have mana.

What do all these signs point to?
A tank.

Garen's passive gives % based hp regen, meaning the more hp you have the better it works.
Garen's Q works great for getting where you need to go, faster. It also completely negates a caster's usefulness for a few seconds. (Utterly ruining champions like Zilean)
Garen's anti-slow stops him from being CC'd when running into, or away from a fight. It also negates most of Anivia's damage.
Garen gets free armor and magic resistance, great for a tank, and % based damage reduction is incredible for large sums of hp.
Garen's ult does massive damage no matter what you build him.
Garen can spam his abilities like anything, this works especially well for his damage reduction ability.

I recently saw a thread stating the differences between Cho Gath's ult and Garen's ult. It made me cry on the inside. What is this world coming to?
When someone can compare an ultimate with melee range that costs a lot of mana (when the cho gath is already a mana starved champion) to an ultimate that is small-medium range that costs no mana.

Thats like comparing Ashe's ult to Ezreal's ult. They are similar, but used for completely different situations. Ashe's is used to initiate/gank, Ezreals is used as a nuke/to clean up scraps.

TL;DR: Garen is a great champion with his own unique playstyles. If you don't understand them/don't want to, then simply don't play him. Stop complaining all the time, I am sure the competent Garen players must hate you for it.


@DR Woo:
Dr Woo, you are asking Riot to make Garen more viable the way you want to play him.

That is selfish.

He is best played as a tank, you don't like that?
Don't play him, or play him DPS and don't reach his full potential.

Have you even tried tank Garen?
His damage is ridiculous for how much survivabilty he has. He can tank a whole team of 5 by himelf, whilst dealing a little below mediocre damage.



qft



Annie is actually a pretty good tank.
Her shield gives some tanky attributes and damage back, and she can basically permanently stun the enemy team.
She won't deal much damage, but an AoE 2.5 second stun every 10 seconds isn't bad, especially when their team can't kill you.

The fact that you would put Warmogs on anyone except specific champions that work well with it scares me.

Did you know that Kassadin is a melee dps?
True story.
Riot says so. Must be the way to build him, right?

Originally Posted by TheGreatZero

I started playing Garen a week ago, and I can say I've never won so many games with any hero in my life. Garen is extremely powerful in every stage of the game, if you play him as a tank. In the laning phase, he just does insane damage while being able to regen his health back quickly thanks to his passive - mid game he can kill lots of people with his abilities + ult, and late game he gets nearly unkillabe while still dealing nice damage.
Anyone who says he's UP must play him as melee dps and getting damage items - I see that a lot, and I've never lost to one of these guys as a tank garen. You just have to know how to build a hero, and tank Garen is not only more tanky than DPS Garen, he also deals more damage.*

* I'm not saying DPS Garens are always bad or something, but they are just an inferior build. Like building kass as melee dps (as was said before) - it can work, but going for ap is just superior. And I don't care if Riot did plan any of this. It works, and it's fun.



If you mean by convert him into a full on tank that he gets a sucky early game, no thanks...