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Originally Posted by Valtegor
You say you tried to win every game. Yet you admit to trolling chat. That makes me highly doubt your statement. In my experience, the people "bad" enough for me to report have:
- Already decided the game is lost
- Already placed blame for the loss
- Spend the remainder of the game trolling chat and harassing the person they blame
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That's good. You SHOULD doubt me. Doubting is imo a good way of getting to know someone and their true intends. If you want more details, I trolled mostly duo premade. We both locked in champs with unfitting spells like i.e. Rally that was one way to troll. And we also talked weird stuff in the champ select like "karthus no good mid". The champ select was where the real fun was going on. And if someone dodged, that was the point where we laughed like hell. We had a blast.
Once the game starts however, I'd use my spells and everything I was given with during that troll attempt to make the best out of it. I don't like the feeling when I get killed in the game. But it's a great feeling killing someone on the other hand. That's all the explanation I can give. Not sure what else to say to that.
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By the time they start raging and trolling chat, whether it was over or not, they make it over. They stop trying to win, as does their target. Other teammates are soon to follow. In 1500 games I have never seen someone throw around walls of chat rage, then actually turn the game around and carry it to victory. Or even participate in what the team was doing.
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The funny thing is I got a completely opposite experience. Even though I've trolled so much, I've won around ~50% of my ranked games where I trolled and the same for normal games where I trolled. And in those matches it was mostly me and my partner that carried that game. Look up my match history from Season 1 ranked and this ones. I haven't played ranked much, only to troll. But the win/lose ratio is roughly 50%.
I've won a match once where I and my partner just stood at our tower for 30 minutes until it fell. Doing nothing but dance, not even last hit. We won that match. I could tell you lots and lots of such crazy matches and they all were unbelivable and ultra fun.
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This is what I was referring to with the "try to win" bit. If your mental focus is "how to we turn this around and win" rather than "that guy made me lose, the whole world needs to know how bad he is", it's a step in the right direction to being a better player. Both in attitude and actual game skills.
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I do want to win every game. But I'm still taking the game as something that makes me fun. I strongly believe that a game is made for that purpose. And that's why I wouldn't exclude one attitude that you describe from the other. I think they are both connected. You gotta take things not so serious in order to do well. And at the same time you need to want to win. If you don't, oh well.
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I obviously don't have a count of the people acting that way or any way to show how many got banned. Anything I could tell you is anecdotal evidence. All I can tell you is that I report people very rarely. Those I do, I'm fairly sure end up in the tribunal if they behave that way consistently. The only concrete proof I can give you is that I participated in a thread where someone got Perma banned and posted his last 200 replays since the two week ban, claiming innocence. This behavior was pretty obvious throughout many of the replays I watched, combined with a few chat outbursts.
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I know the guy you are talking about. not personally. But I've followed every thread thus far where some tribunal case guy claimed his innocence and Pendragon stomped them. I've followed countless other threads where tribunal case people make every other guy that was ever banned look like complete hypocrites, including me. So I honestly can't blame you. Truth is, you should not blindly trust me. Neither should you blindly trust anyone else. But that's my opinion on that matter.
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You say it's not a banable offense.
You advocate running away from a fight and letting allies die.
You advocate afk jungling to lvl 11 without ganking, invading, attempting dragon
Then you tell people to deflect the blame for your assisting the enemy team in chat.
You say you dislike players who do so, yet the entire purpose of this thread is to create more of them. Who said they have a right to continue being toxic and avoid a ban?
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Yes. It seems paradox at first. But if you think about it as a satire then you could say I'm critizising Riot for not banning these people. Which I do. I don't think the tribunal is just. It does it's job of removing one half of the toxic players well however.
If the number of toxic players that I dislike so much increases, then maybe people will start complaining to Riot about them. It's what's going on in this forum forever already. On the same topic, if my main champ was to be nerfed what would I write in the topic about said champ? I would write "he is weak but I main him" or something like that and you would call me out again because those 2 points don't fit together. But I don't want my main to get nerfed so that's why I say it.
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You're not telling people that have anger management issues how to deal with it. How to become a better player. You're telling trolls how to ruin games less conspicuously in an attempt to avoid bans. Which may or may not be successful. You have as much proof they don't get banned as I do that they do.
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So you'd also say that the way I advised people to act in method #2 is also ruining games for people, right? And you claim such people get bans as well? Then why complain about me giving such advice? They'll get banned eventually just like it is right now already. I do in fact have more proof than you that this method is successful in not getting banned because I am still in contact with one person that follows this method and in contact with another person that uses this method but that I don't play with anymore. The first method I have the best proof there is, myself. Else I wouldn't be here writting with you. Come join a few games with me if you want to report me and test out how fool proof my method is.
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Most importantly, this behavior actually has nothing to do with avoiding bans. You entice griefing your team to avoid deaths. But deaths don't get you banned. So why? Why wouldn't you play a melee champion? Why would you play a ranged and abandon your teammate to die, then blame him for it, when it could have been a kill exchange in you favor? How is this, in any way, trying to win the game? Unless the game you are playing is "make people mad and don't get banned".
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The amount of reasons you give your team and enemies to report you determines how many reports you get in the end. And the amount of people in the tribunal that agree with the reports determines to a good part if you get banned or not.
Riot claimed once in a statistic about the tribunal that toxic players lose games for their team. If you have a good ratio in your match and didn't write anything toxic into the chat, none of the enemies reported you, then how are you the toxic player in this context? To the tribunal you are not, given these informations. That's how you avoid the ban. I'm not giving advice on how you become a better player nor how you win your games or how you become a better person. That's something that is out of my reach of power. And it's not what this information serves for. I believe a person that has a character problem wouldn't change no matter what I told him. Do you think he would, if only the right words were used? I think change is something that must come from yourself.
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i actually read all of this and i am an avid tribunal user. I can tell you that when i look for a pardon/punish i make sure that i look for evidence AGAINST the claim first.
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I'm always glad to hear that there are people like you.