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Tribunal - How it works - How NOT to get banned EVER

 
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05-08-2012

Step 1) Mute everyone immediately after the game starts.

Step 2) Buy right items. You may be running around with 30 wards on you the entire game, but make sure you purchase correct items before the game ends.

Step 3) Profit???

Also, TL;DR

 
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Step 1) Mute everyone immediately after the game starts.

Step 2) Buy right items. You may be running around with 30 wards on you the entire game, but make sure you purchase correct items before the game ends.

Step 3) Profit???

Also, TL;DR
You know you sum these things up much better than me, you should be answering the questions instead of me lol. I'm not as good with words.
I'd take your quote as TL;DR if you don't mind.

 
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It's a lot simpler: say constructive advice in chat only. Don't flame in chat and actually try to win together. Ignore the trolls.

 
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You make me feel ironic. I have played over 3k games myself by now and I have yet to have a game where I did not try to win. Even in the games I trolled over chat I always tried my best to win the match cause that's how I am by nature in games. Trying to win the game is not making you a good player, it doesn't exclude you from being a toxic player.

And you say I'm telling people how to continue being a toxic player? Then let me ask you this.
How many games have you played where someone acted like I described it in my "How not to get banned"?
And how many of those people were banned?
I have played dozens of games with such people and they don't get banned because it's not a bannable offense.
I really dislike such players that act like that because that's really what I'd define as a toxic player. But they don't get banned. People that use the chat too often when they shouldn't on the other hand do get banned. Is that working out as intended in your opinion? Again I'm not here to judge. But if you got the right to avoid a ban even though you acted wrong for years, then I have the right to give these people that get banned for having a too big mouth the information how they can do it too.
And who knows? Maybe Riot is aware of this and is already working towards a way to improve the tribunal and bring people that act like that finally to justice. Nothing would please me more.
You say you tried to win every game. Yet you admit to trolling chat. That makes me highly doubt your statement. In my experience, the people "bad" enough for me to report have:
- Already decided the game is lost
- Already placed blame for the loss
- Spend the remainder of the game trolling chat and harassing the person they blame

By the time they start raging and trolling chat, whether it was over or not, they make it over. They stop trying to win, as does their target. Other teammates are soon to follow. In 1500 games I have never seen someone throw around walls of chat rage, then actually turn the game around and carry it to victory. Or even participate in what the team was doing.

This is what I was referring to with the "try to win" bit. If your mental focus is "how to we turn this around and win" rather than "that guy made me lose, the whole world needs to know how bad he is", it's a step in the right direction to being a better player. Both in attitude and actual game skills.

I obviously don't have a count of the people acting that way or any way to show how many got banned. Anything I could tell you is anecdotal evidence. All I can tell you is that I report people very rarely. Those I do, I'm fairly sure end up in the tribunal if they behave that way consistently. The only concrete proof I can give you is that I participated in a thread where someone got Perma banned and posted his last 200 replays since the two week ban, claiming innocence. This behavior was pretty obvious throughout many of the replays I watched, combined with a few chat outbursts.

You say it's not a banable offense.
You advocate running away from a fight and letting allies die.
You advocate afk jungling to lvl 11 without ganking, invading, attempting dragon
Then you tell people to deflect the blame for your assisting the enemy team in chat.

You say you dislike players who do so, yet the entire purpose of this thread is to create more of them. Who said they have a right to continue being toxic and avoid a ban?

You're not telling people that have anger management issues how to deal with it. How to become a better player. You're telling trolls how to ruin games less conspicuously in an attempt to avoid bans. Which may or may not be successful. You have as much proof they don't get banned as I do that they do.

Most importantly, this behavior actually has nothing to do with avoiding bans. You entice griefing your team to avoid deaths. But deaths don't get you banned. So why? Why wouldn't you play a melee champion? Why would you play a ranged and abandon your teammate to die, then blame him for it, when it could have been a kill exchange in you favor? How is this, in any way, trying to win the game? Unless the game you are playing is "make people mad and don't get banned".

 
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I see many people that still don't know how Tribunal exactly works.
I am here to give out valuable information on Tribunal and bans.
Many haven't been banned yet so they don't care much. Many also have been banned, but still don't know what for or how to prevent getting banned again.

I'll explain to you now in detail the following:


First I'll start off with a bit about myself so you can make yourself a picture of wether you even want to trust what I have to say or not.



About me:
My Nick is SteelerKing, I'm German(half american) and have started on NA before I even tested the European server. I always liked it here more than there.

I have been banned 8 times in total(might have been 7). I haven't been banned in the last 2 months. With a count of 10 or 12 bans you'll recieve a perm-ban I believe.
I am not one of those guys you see on the forums posting why they're innocent cause unlike them I know for every ban I recieved why I recieved it. 100% guilty for 7-8 bans.
-3 times banned for AFK
-4 times banned for trolling ranked/normals
-1 time banned for inappropriate language
That's my tribunal history. By now I'm hopefully not getting banned anymore cause I avoid negative feedback for my teammates and only give positive feedback anymore, I also haven't trolled anymore since it got boring. I'm doing Tribunal cases from time to time, I'm also kind of active on the forums sometimes too so you might've seen some posts from me on all sorts of threads already.

I like to post on threads about the Tribunal as well but I decided to make this thread now so I don't have to post on Tribunal threads anymore, cause I think this thread will help anyone out that wants tribunal information.
So you could say I'm quite experienced and well-informed about how to get banned by now. You could also say I am or was what Riot refers to as a toxic player since I've been banned so often.
That much about me.
Onto the interesting part.



Questions and Answers:
Here are some frequently asked questions answered that I've seen many people ask still up-to-date.

Can I get banned for being a Unskilled player?:
- Being a unskilled player does not get you banned. If you report someone for unskilled player, that person will get easier enemies next match thanks to your report. Reporting someone for unskilled player doesn't go to tribunal but to the matchmaking system which will calculate this feedback that you gave into this players next match. If you ever wondered why a match is so one-sided, such a feedback/report might have been one of the reasons.

Does Riot know if I'm premade trolling?
- Yes, they do. If you are together with friends premade trolling they can see who queued up with whom. The tribunal viewers however can't see this. Maybe you'll recieve lots of pardons from tribunal cause of the theatre you made up with your friends in the chat, but that won't prevent you from being banned by Riot cause they know better.

Does Riot monitor the champ select or the after-chat?
- From the moment you get queued up with your team, the game has begun. It's not after the loading screen is finished, it's not when your minions spawn. Riot monitors the champion select and will ban you for inappropriate behavior in the champion select but only if the game starts. If you troll in champ select and manage to get someone to dodge, you'll not get reported and you'll not get banned.
The after-chat is not monitored by Riot and also doesn't interest Riot. At this point the game is over. However Riot has banned people outside of games already for reasons outside of games. So don't act bad, maybe someone will screenshot your misbehavior and send it in.

Why was I banned?:
Riot won't tell you. And you can't expect from them to tell you. So if you want to write a support ticket to Riot asking why you were banned, don't. They'll not answer that question. You'll waste their time and you'll give yourself a unsatisfied, frustrated feeling more so than it already is for you.

I haven't done anything wrong the last few days/weeks. Why the ban?:
Riot bans you at a certain date every month for something that lies back a long time already, so you'll never get banned for something that you did recently. If you want to know why you were banned, think back maybe 1 to 2 months what you did there.
There lies the answer.





How to get yourself banned(100% Guarantee!):
You can get banned for many reasons in League of Legends. It's not hard at all.

Everybody knows these obvious reasons for bans:
- Run towards towers throughout the whole match
- Write inappropriate language in the chat
- Use a inappropriate name including anything racist, sexist, insulting but also, and most don't know this, even a name that could indicate that you are trolling like "I'm a troll" or "I feed" "I always afk" this also gets you banned.
- Go afk during a match. As long as it's not agreed upon by all players or the match isn't a few minutes away from the end then going completely afk is a sure ban.

Here are reasons for which you get banned that you might not be certain about:
- Calling your teammates out on mistakes. If you give people orders or tell them what to do, what not to do, what is right and what is wrong by words instead of pings then you are a good candidate for the tribunal already.
It doesn't matter what your intends are when you call someone out on something they have done like "why?" or "why didn't you XXX*" or "You bought XXXitem on YYYchamp?" then you are a toxic player that likes to call people out on their mistakes and are supporting a negative experience for these players that'll get you banned. It's opposed to constructive critizism which is always written in a polite form like "can/may/could/should/shouldn't we/you/I" and will indicate that you are not a toxic player while calling people out on something and therefore it'll not get you banned.

- Inappropriate language gets you banned for sure and includes any censored words and the following well-known words: Noobs, bads, baddies, suck, dumb, re re, gays etc.
About the word "gay" specifically, it is a insult if you use it as such. The same way many words can be used as insults and get you banned even if they are actually not known as insults. You may call someone a brainless monkeybutt or a banana and you get banned for that if your intend in the chat makes it obvious that you are trying to insult someone. Such intend becomes very obvious if you spam the insult to the person or if you critizise that one person you insulted throughout the match. The more you provoke the victim to respond to you the more likely you'll get banned as well. Example: "isn't that right banana?" "what's up banana? Why so quiet?" "oh my bad banana, didn't know you were such a banana, banana."
Furthermore provokations used in all chat such as "too ez" or "gg noobs" are not excluded from the list of insults and count as inappropriate language.

-Verbal Abuse is something that people sometimes report for instead of inappropriate language. It includes any inappropriate behavior that is done over the chat like calling your teammates out on mistakes which I covered already. But what else does this include? Anything that is written over the chat really, as long as it displeases a majority of your teammates and enemies you can get banned for this and rightfully so. Let's say you talk about boxxy in the chat and people ask you politely to stop but you don't stop even after several people politely asked you to. You are disregarding the people you play with and just talk for your own enjoyment, ruining other peoples experience. They can ignore you. But that doesn't matter towards wether you get banned or not. You can insult other people directly and get ignored but it doesn't make it right and you will get banned for it.
A very popular choice to get banned this way is to argue with teammates or enemies. It doesn't matter about what you argue but the more time you spend arguing with teammates, the more likely your ban. It doesn't matter who is right in the argument, but the argument itself means that you are wasting time writting instead of playing so much that it affects the game and hence justifies your ban because you are basically taking reaction time from yourself and another person out of the game during that time, which will impact the game outcome in a way it shouldn't have been.

-Spam. Where does it start becoming spam and where does it end?
There is a spam block. It'll prevent you from spaming the same too often in a certain amount of time and also prevent you from pinging too often. This limits your ability to spam in general and will make it easier for you to get banned for spamming because less amounts of spam already count towards spamming.
Let's say you are the only person writting in your chat at all, not one other person writes in your teamchat all game, then it will look like you spammed the chat but with different sentences. Does this enable someone to report and ban you? If all the sentences you wrote include communication with your team like "mia/ss/b/back/drag/baron/care etc." then no, you can't get banned for spam. You can get banned if you repeatedly say the same things over and over and it doesn't even matter if it's insulting or breaking any other rule because you are breaking the rule not to spam already by writting i.e. "i eat bananas i eat bananasi eat bananas i eat bananasi eat bananas i eat bananasi eat bananas i eat bananasi eat bananas i eat bananas". If you spam positive feedback in a constant rythm like i.e. "care back care back care back care back care back care back care back care back care back care back" all game long, then this is also spam and it'll not be hard for Riot to tell that you didn't actually write this to help but only to spam. Further comments from your team to stop will add to this conclusion and you will successfully recieve your ban.

-Champions. To drastically increase your chance to get banned, pick a champ that everyone hates. Fiddlesticks, Akali, Garen, Teemo, Trynd etc. Playing a champ that everyone hates will make the decision for tribunal viewers easier.
The best choices to get banned are top, followed by mid and the AD ranged. These are typically the ones at fault by the tribunal viewers as they tend to deem kills worth more than anything, overextend, don't ward and blame all their faults on everyone else. By picking a close ranged champ you are increasing your chances to be banned yet again by having to get close, giving your team the option to just run away and leave you to die. Which will get you banned for feeding but not them cause you can't proof they just let you die on purpose.
If you pick the role of the jungler your chances to get banned are very low as junglers are known for to get blamed by their teammates, so picking a jungler is like a bullet proof jacket in the tribunal. If you want to make sure you don't get banned under any circumstances, pick the support. Most people don't expect anything from support, the people that do still can't blame you and report you if you do bad and so you are basically immune to tribunal as long as you got gp/5s and wards in your inventory and keep your mouth shut.


How to never recieve a ban(100% Guarantee!):
This is by far easier than most people think it is.

-The easiest way not to get banned is by deciding with your teammates in the champ select about who goes where and then when the game starts you mute everyone. People fear to do this because of the "refusing to communicate" report reason. But there is a very easy way to avoid getting reported for this reason. You just need to write into the chat once in a while any of the following when you feel it is appropriate "care/back/lets get dragon/lets get baron/can I have blue/red?/blue/red XXXchamp?".
Your teammates will not know you muted them, you will not know what they responded but it doesn't matter. You will not get banned because you didn't do anything wrong. And you did at least try to communicate and for that you can never be banned.
IMPORTANT: Do not write anything else in the chat except what I wrote! Think of yourself as a robot. The only words you know are the ones I just gave you. And you only write those in whenever it's fitting. If it's not fitting, you don't write anything at all.

-Let's say you don't feel like muting everyone or you don't like muting out of any reason. Then do the following and I guarantee you, you'll not get banned either.
Select a Ranged champ or a extremely mobile champ(minimum 1 escape tool). Go on your lane/jungle wherever that might be. Now farm like a madman, try not to get killed and try to not interact with your enemy as much as possible. Think of yourself as the most squishy champ that dies in 1-3 hits and you don't want to get hit under any circumstances. Play as passively as you can. If teamfights start anywhere, try to stay nearby and help but only out of a safe distance or so that you can easily escape.
Do not help anyone if it may get you killed. Let them die. People might flame you, they will call you out on your passivity and you will answer the following:
*You overextended/stop overextending
*Buy wards
*(If you play support or jungler you can also say): Always the junglers/supports fault
This will always justify your actions. It will make it seem like your teammates overextended or got caught out of position or like they are blaming their faults and the tribunal will not know what is actually the case. They will only know one thing, you are not at fault.

You can also farm in your jungle or on your lane instead of staying nearby at teamfights but only do that early to mid. If you do it lategame and get called out on it you can get reported and banned for that. But you can stay in your jungle till lvl11+ without having helped once and not get reported. If you feed or not doesn't matter that much, as long as you stay within a reasonable amount of kills to deaths like 5+- difference then you are fine and reports will not touch you if you followed my instructions.


If you have read through most or all of this, you're likely insane. Maybe you'll also have noticed that every single player in this game qualifies as a toxic player but not everyone qualifies as a tribunal case if you go after what my wall text says.

Stay safe folks!
You can also AMA.

NO.

 
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05-08-2012

i actually read all of this and i am an avid tribunal user. I can tell you that when i look for a pardon/punish i make sure that i look for evidence AGAINST the claim first.

I agree with some of what you said in your WoT. For instance, if your team starts to get angry that you are being a bit too passive, replying "you overextended" lets the tribunallers know that it isnt a communication problem, and instead perhaps the player in question may not be at fault.

It is a good system, of course the easiest way to avoid getting banned will always be justing being a good sport and friendly to both teams, but sometimes it is really hard to keep up good spirits when you're stuck with people you don't really care for. In that case, this system could work. Bottom line: Just dont say anything that isn't helpful to the team. It will defend your innocence against wrongful bans.

 
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Originally Posted by Valtegor View Post
You say you tried to win every game. Yet you admit to trolling chat. That makes me highly doubt your statement. In my experience, the people "bad" enough for me to report have:
- Already decided the game is lost
- Already placed blame for the loss
- Spend the remainder of the game trolling chat and harassing the person they blame
That's good. You SHOULD doubt me. Doubting is imo a good way of getting to know someone and their true intends. If you want more details, I trolled mostly duo premade. We both locked in champs with unfitting spells like i.e. Rally that was one way to troll. And we also talked weird stuff in the champ select like "karthus no good mid". The champ select was where the real fun was going on. And if someone dodged, that was the point where we laughed like hell. We had a blast.
Once the game starts however, I'd use my spells and everything I was given with during that troll attempt to make the best out of it. I don't like the feeling when I get killed in the game. But it's a great feeling killing someone on the other hand. That's all the explanation I can give. Not sure what else to say to that.

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By the time they start raging and trolling chat, whether it was over or not, they make it over. They stop trying to win, as does their target. Other teammates are soon to follow. In 1500 games I have never seen someone throw around walls of chat rage, then actually turn the game around and carry it to victory. Or even participate in what the team was doing.
The funny thing is I got a completely opposite experience. Even though I've trolled so much, I've won around ~50% of my ranked games where I trolled and the same for normal games where I trolled. And in those matches it was mostly me and my partner that carried that game. Look up my match history from Season 1 ranked and this ones. I haven't played ranked much, only to troll. But the win/lose ratio is roughly 50%.
I've won a match once where I and my partner just stood at our tower for 30 minutes until it fell. Doing nothing but dance, not even last hit. We won that match. I could tell you lots and lots of such crazy matches and they all were unbelivable and ultra fun.

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This is what I was referring to with the "try to win" bit. If your mental focus is "how to we turn this around and win" rather than "that guy made me lose, the whole world needs to know how bad he is", it's a step in the right direction to being a better player. Both in attitude and actual game skills.
I do want to win every game. But I'm still taking the game as something that makes me fun. I strongly believe that a game is made for that purpose. And that's why I wouldn't exclude one attitude that you describe from the other. I think they are both connected. You gotta take things not so serious in order to do well. And at the same time you need to want to win. If you don't, oh well.

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I obviously don't have a count of the people acting that way or any way to show how many got banned. Anything I could tell you is anecdotal evidence. All I can tell you is that I report people very rarely. Those I do, I'm fairly sure end up in the tribunal if they behave that way consistently. The only concrete proof I can give you is that I participated in a thread where someone got Perma banned and posted his last 200 replays since the two week ban, claiming innocence. This behavior was pretty obvious throughout many of the replays I watched, combined with a few chat outbursts.
I know the guy you are talking about. not personally. But I've followed every thread thus far where some tribunal case guy claimed his innocence and Pendragon stomped them. I've followed countless other threads where tribunal case people make every other guy that was ever banned look like complete hypocrites, including me. So I honestly can't blame you. Truth is, you should not blindly trust me. Neither should you blindly trust anyone else. But that's my opinion on that matter.

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You say it's not a banable offense.
You advocate running away from a fight and letting allies die.
You advocate afk jungling to lvl 11 without ganking, invading, attempting dragon
Then you tell people to deflect the blame for your assisting the enemy team in chat.

You say you dislike players who do so, yet the entire purpose of this thread is to create more of them. Who said they have a right to continue being toxic and avoid a ban?
Yes. It seems paradox at first. But if you think about it as a satire then you could say I'm critizising Riot for not banning these people. Which I do. I don't think the tribunal is just. It does it's job of removing one half of the toxic players well however.
If the number of toxic players that I dislike so much increases, then maybe people will start complaining to Riot about them. It's what's going on in this forum forever already. On the same topic, if my main champ was to be nerfed what would I write in the topic about said champ? I would write "he is weak but I main him" or something like that and you would call me out again because those 2 points don't fit together. But I don't want my main to get nerfed so that's why I say it.

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You're not telling people that have anger management issues how to deal with it. How to become a better player. You're telling trolls how to ruin games less conspicuously in an attempt to avoid bans. Which may or may not be successful. You have as much proof they don't get banned as I do that they do.
So you'd also say that the way I advised people to act in method #2 is also ruining games for people, right? And you claim such people get bans as well? Then why complain about me giving such advice? They'll get banned eventually just like it is right now already. I do in fact have more proof than you that this method is successful in not getting banned because I am still in contact with one person that follows this method and in contact with another person that uses this method but that I don't play with anymore. The first method I have the best proof there is, myself. Else I wouldn't be here writting with you. Come join a few games with me if you want to report me and test out how fool proof my method is.

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Most importantly, this behavior actually has nothing to do with avoiding bans. You entice griefing your team to avoid deaths. But deaths don't get you banned. So why? Why wouldn't you play a melee champion? Why would you play a ranged and abandon your teammate to die, then blame him for it, when it could have been a kill exchange in you favor? How is this, in any way, trying to win the game? Unless the game you are playing is "make people mad and don't get banned".
The amount of reasons you give your team and enemies to report you determines how many reports you get in the end. And the amount of people in the tribunal that agree with the reports determines to a good part if you get banned or not.
Riot claimed once in a statistic about the tribunal that toxic players lose games for their team. If you have a good ratio in your match and didn't write anything toxic into the chat, none of the enemies reported you, then how are you the toxic player in this context? To the tribunal you are not, given these informations. That's how you avoid the ban. I'm not giving advice on how you become a better player nor how you win your games or how you become a better person. That's something that is out of my reach of power. And it's not what this information serves for. I believe a person that has a character problem wouldn't change no matter what I told him. Do you think he would, if only the right words were used? I think change is something that must come from yourself.

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i actually read all of this and i am an avid tribunal user. I can tell you that when i look for a pardon/punish i make sure that i look for evidence AGAINST the claim first.
I'm always glad to hear that there are people like you.

 
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Good read +1

 
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OP 100% wrong. The most sure way not to get banned is not to play

 
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SteelerKing ?? Senior Member
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OP 100% wrong. The most sure way not to get banned is not to play
Why didn't I come up with this first?
+1 for genius