It's a horrible match up, you have basically one chance to win lane with your Combo at levels (2-3) and if you don't kill him he will push you to your turret and force you to miss xp/last hits while roaming. TF wins hands down. Thoughts?

Right...
I beat nearly all TF's that I play against on my main account.

Know why?
Because I don't use my Q + W combo on TF's... I wait for them to use a Blue Card, dodge their easy-to-dodge WildCard's (smallest hitbox in the game), I then W behind his minion wave, Q-E, Ignite and he's usually dead.

TF is ridiculously squishy, and sucks at farming about as much as LB does. Last hitting under turrets isn't hard either.
ie. - Full HP caster minion, autoattack each one once, let the turret hit them, and they'll be left with one autoattack of hp. Boom, farming under a turret.

Once LB hits six, it's over for TF. All you have to do is wait for him to waste his Pick A Card, and then W, E, Q, R (By the time E ends, it will proc the second damage effect of R, copying Q).

Because you 3 shot TF

I remember a few months ago jiji played TF vs Elementz' LB and won.

LB vs squishy normal-range-dependent caster without easy CC? Yeah, she should eat that lane alive. It's not that LB is tailored especially to counter TF or anything, just that she counters everything in his weight class.

She can harass harder pre-6 and absolutely END him at 6. It's going to be a question of whether TF can keep himself in the game and still gank lanes like he has to...

Well, you are right to some extent. However, most TFs don't have a clue what they're doing. They don't rune specifically for a hard engage level 2-3 by LB and just gets zones extremely hard because they can't get close enough to do anything.

TF wins lane against LB. People randomly think Leblanc can just kill everything. Veigar is much more of a counter to TF than LB can hope to be.

Also, the strongest part of TF is that he's god in arranged team because it's impossible for him to lose lane period. You know why? Because you have the jungler camp the LB at levels 2-3 and after that LB has no chance to win lane.


So yes when played correctly TF should crush LB in lane. However, it is much easier for the LB player to play the match-up because she can just go brain-dead and zone at level 2-3 and pick up a free lane win. TF's side requires much more skill to play.

You must be played vs bad tf's if you think he will let you anywere near him to get a full combo off, the most you can do is W to get close enough than Q-R .

LB counters practically counters every AP mid, ap TF is so squisy and easy to kill, I don't think he is good at all.