I get this as well, it's because no one understands what support really is and people just see support in the tag. Well Lux has support in her tag as well....

Karma CAN'T play meta support because she needs to last hit and she needs farm, she doesn't function without AP, meta support only works because of CC and general effectiveness without building any kind of offensive stats allowing you to just run auras, ward and let the carry get all the CS. Karma requires AP to function.

The only place Karma can play in the meta is mid, though she could function solo top against a lot of characters if people let her.

She needs a heal and a nuke (her Q does this already) that gets better with the ult (already).

Needs a utility buff that possibly could be tied to hard cc. W won't cut it. I don't exactly think making it a carbon copy of Lulu's W is ideal, but maybe just giving a % damage increase might be good. Then the ult might make the cost free or reset the cooldown to let Karma CC 2 targets, buff 2 allies, or cc a target and buff an ally. This actually holds a LOT of potential for good decision making.

Her E is in a good place but might need a bit more reworking if the nuke is tied more to Q. OR it could be a ranged harass. Karma's weakness is her lack of poke and ranged threat. Thsi makes her very powerful in melee range, but, again, no hard cc means she is very vulnerable to ranged attacks.

Her ult needs reworking. I would suggest that she has a secondary resource that is built up by dealing damage, using spells, or healing allies, and this resource is used for karma charges. I think her ult needs to be the addition of that resource. The 6/6/6/0 idea is cool and unique, but difficult to balance because she must wait longer than everyone else before maxing her abilities.


Maybe her passive can also allow her skills to behave as if they were 1 lvl higher when using a karma charge, in addition to the passive's current ability.

Her passive somewhat contradicts her role as a healer. If anything her passive seems somewhat not worth it for the price she pays to achieve the full effectiveness.

I should say the only time I've had a successful game as support Karma was when I laned with Nasus. Karma + Nasus obliterated the lane.

I hope they keep her able to go mid as a mage, she is a lot of fun as a mage

I added a link to Guinsoo's twitter on my first post. Sorry I didn't put it up earlier.

There hasn't been a lot of concrete information, but we know that Guinsoo has experimented with putting a Knockback on her Q, removing her ability to use W on enemies, and giving her a silence of some sort. There is no official word on which of hese changes are going to stick, but we know that Guinsoo intends to make Karma viable as a support without taking away her ability to do decently in a solo lane. I cannot find the source, but I remember him saying that one of his main goals for the rework is to give her more utility and to make Mantra feel more like an ultimate.

I guess? I still think it's one of the best passives in the game.

They intend to.



One thing to think about with the current Karma: would she be OP if she had her ult always active? That's one way to think about balancing it. Her Q would always heal, the speed buff of W would be 20-40%, her shield would always do AoE damage.... I think it would be OP, but on the flip side, she's pretty **** underwhelming without her mantra charges, so I think the base skills need a buff, or something :/

Wait, what? I hope you meant W? Otherwise no AoE on shield removes half my motivation for playing her ;_;

You are right, I meant to say W but I typed E. :3 I will fix my original post.

Hopefully the rework is coming soon. It would be awesome if they let us test it on the PBE before they release it completely.