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Torenia ?? Senior Member
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05-31-2012

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Darius is Anti-Fun, because he walks up takes your hard work and the money that went with it by pressing 1 button. I hate having that KSing champ on my team. A good fix would be to not give him any gold for using his ult if someone else got them to execute range.
Why are we crying about kses? He is using that gold to help your team too. Also, I hardly doubt he stands by and watches you fight before pressing R.

 
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How is Darius anti-fun? Because he kill steals? Great, I WANT him to ks me in teamfights. Because guess what that means, that means we get another huge true damage nuke in the fight when he does it. And more true damage nukes means we are that much closer to winning the teamfight, and possibly the game. I want him to do well and get kills because he scales really well with items, and getting those huge nukes in helps the team as a whole a ton.

I have played with a lot of Darius' in Dom and SR, and it has never gotten to the point where a Darius either on my team or the enemy team kill stole so much that everyone else on his team was starved and couldn't do any damage anymore. I have watched streams with Darius players in them and this has still been the case.


He isn't even the only champ notorious for hogging kills either. His kit isn't necessarily poorly designed either. He has clear exploitable weaknesses that you can abuse to great effect, making Darius situationally amazing. When he gets his opportunity, that's when he becomes big trouble, but if you put him in lane against someone like Swain, Kennen, or Lee Sin, he will get demolished more than just about any champion in the game in that same situation would. And an underfed Darius is one of the most useless champs in the game atm, since he has no way to disengage, is very immobile overall, and has no defensive buff unlike other bruisers, and his only gap closer is a long cd short ranged pull.

When he is doing well though, and Darius' team is doing well to support him and the player is good, he becomes nightmarish. His scaling is crazy good, and he does a ton of damage very quickly. He can dish out a lot of pain since his ultimate refreshes, again, giving his team a huge advantage in a fight. The only problems become cc and kiting, Darius especially is ENORMOUSLY suspect to kiting, even more so than those like Udyr or Volibear. Going against champs like Ezreal or Anivia make it so even a fed Darius has a VERY hard time. But again, if he can get a good angle in and the player is good, and his team can support him, then he WILL eat your entire team.
I think you nailed most of the major points:

- His ult feels bad for players on both sides
- He's extremely 'feast or famine,' dependent on his early snowballing and whether or not he gets the killing blows

How about this one, though?

His W DESTROYS both your movespeed AND your attackspeed. Who else does that? Generally a champion either slows you, forcing you to turn and fight, or your offensive ability, forcing you to run for a bit. Darius destroys your ability to escape OR fight, giving you the option of: Lose. It's comparable to another Irelia.

I can only think of Nunu's ult or Nasus' wither doing both - and one's on a long cooldown, ones why Nasus is so **** powerful bot lane. Neither is a good model, and neither has the cooldown OR strength that Darius' does.

It's just... little things like this that make me think Darius doesn't hold up to Riot's touted 'much improved design' for this year.

 
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His W DESTROYS both your movespeed AND your attackspeed. Who else does that? Generally a champion either slows you, forcing you to turn and fight, or your offensive ability, forcing you to run for a bit. Darius destroys your ability to escape OR fight, giving you the option of: Lose. It's comparable to another Irelia.

I can only think of Nunu's ult or Nasus' wither doing both - and one's on a long cooldown, ones why Nasus is so **** powerful bot lane. Neither is a good model, and neither has the cooldown OR strength that Darius' does.
Lee Sin and Aniva do as well (And Nu Nu's Q, not just his u L t)

And anyone with a Warden's Mail.

The cooldown on it is pretty crazy if he has max stacks

 
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The cooldown on it is pretty crazy if he has max stacks
Which never really happens. You might use it twice in a fight because by that time either you are they are dead.

 
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05-31-2012

He seems to have taken the place of Kassadin as everyone's favorite OP champ, judging by all the games I've been spectating lately.

 
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05-31-2012

Darius rapes Teemo...

He is pretty much going to dominate any melee that has no strong poke or escape over 550 range.

Olaf does ok.
Varus does well.
Ashe.
Veigar
Cass
Talon (surprisingly)
Jax can dodge, stun and also has 3 high dmg nukes. Will have to pop Ult early though cause He wants to mitigate as much early damage as possible.

Guys who get effed up
Lee Sin
Sion
Poppy
Xin Zhao

Darius isn't out of control IMO, he is strong, but not OP.
I think that Cass is more OP.

 
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05-31-2012

I've had problems with Lee Sin at varying points in a game. It's kind of like Lee Sin and Darius trade who is more powerful depending on where in their build they are.

And the usual applies to Sion. Darius wouldn't even come close to beating him if he fought Sion on his own terms. But I try never to do that with any champ.

 
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06-02-2012

Bumping this out of curiosity: Do you guys think the previewed Darius changes will be good for him?

Honestly it sounds like they hit both of the points I had a problem with, I'm excited to see it go live.

 
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Bumping this out of curiosity: Do you guys think the previewed Darius changes will be good for him?

Honestly it sounds like they hit both of the points I had a problem with, I'm excited to see it go live.
He's still going to be stupid, just less so 1v1. The grace period removal is just about pointless, because his OP ultimate was getting the killing blows anyway.

 
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06-02-2012

The Darius changes will be mostly cosmetic.

You know, how sometimes Riot feels a champion is underplayed for no real reason, so they give him +2 AD, just so he'll be on the patch notes and people will remember they exist again?

...Yeah.