I had games where an afker came back after 15 mins and because their team held on they managed to win from a huge disadvantage.

I always say "GG, thanks for playing " if I win against an enemy team with a d/c.
In my games, most d/cs are unintentional, so I never give up when someone d/cs.

Almost winning a 4v5 is so interesting, I enjoy it even when we don't end up winning. I still manage to pick out the flaws in my gameplay when a 4v5 results in a close loss. When I am stomped in a 4v5, it's not exactly drawn out torture. It's too quick to bother surrendering.

There kind of is a surrender already. When your team is 4v5 and about 4 minutes have gone by and its pretty clear that they aren't coming back... someone says "skrew it. I quit".

In that case, several more follow suit and sit AFK in the base. This is usually announced to the enemies who promptly 5 cap. The game will be over in about a minute or two.
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I do agree that a 20 minute surrender is stupidly useless though. Ive seen maybe 2 or 3 surrenders out of hundreds of games, which only save 30 seconds or so. If you are gonna HAVE a surrender option, at least make it useful.

Good point.

They should just remove the surrender option.

Agreed.

Don't surrender. You never know when there will be a come-back.

"But we have 2 afkers and they are winning by 400 points!"
Oh I've had that situation too! 3v5, 8 to 480. Our two came back and we held our 8 points to the win.

But if your heart is set on surrendering, you'll probably lose. No confidence is not worth my time to discuss.

so instead of constantly using DC's as the reason to surrender, why not use the case of 1 or 2 players on your team with no confidence? We've all had those games where one guy is just determined that it's a lost cause and runs around not just being non-productive, but being counterproductive- tower diving onto enemy turrets to see if he can get a kill solo, racking up a 4/20 or something like that.

If you have 2 of those guys, or 2 trolls, or something where you have a sever disadvantage, why not allow after 10 minutes a surrender? Saying *well, if you stick it out five more minutes it'll be over anyways* is true, but its also a waste of time. Surrender votes are votes, they have to be passed by a majority. If the majority of the team no longer wishes to play, what possible reason is there for forcing them to play to satisfy your own selfish desires?

Ahhhh, just had such a game yesterday, saying "gg" and "We lose" at 270 pts when we had same points as the enemy team. As a Nasus player, he blamed the Maokai player, saying "Who plays Maokai in Dominion?"
Of course, he had under 80 wins and is 1,600s Ranked Elo SR...

Or the dude I had who played Garen and blamed Teemo/Lux as picks, saying he had over 400 games on Dominion and he knows miracles don't happen! I managed to get that game to victory, but I don't get it. People defeat themselves before the game ends, and not only that, negativity affects their team-mates.

They are losing themselves a game by being negative, and they are negative because they want to win...

I really should use the ignore button more often.

Still, screw surrender. I don't get people who even start surrender votes on Dominion.

frankly if you start a surrender vote currently on dominion, its fairly foolish- if youve made it to that late of the game you have a pretty good chance of making the win happen, either because you have one or 2 people on your team strong enough to carry, or because the game is THAT close that its going to come down to who gets the last couple of kills and gains control of the triple.

Thats why I honestly feel the surrender time being moved up is a good solution- if I have a game I know I'm going to end up losing, not because of disconnects but because of some other obvious behavior, it ends up poisoning my attitude for the next game. Thats my fault, sure, but it still happens. That sucks...not a lot of other ways to say it, it just sucks.

Yea, I should use the ignore feature more, but I always *heard* it prevented you from queing with people and screwed up your que times? Plus not seeing pings feels like I'm letting the team down, even though 80% of pings in mid-tier elo are worthless.

I heartily agree with all saying that surrendering doesnt need to happen a majority of the time- but thats why starting a surrender vote is not the same as passing a surrender vote.

BTW, Dominion can start a surrender vote earlier. Might be 15 mins, but it's not 20.