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Loleon ?? Senior Member
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06-01-2012

*Maths, but I'm on the NA forums :P.

So, I saw a fair deal of OMG AHRI SO BAD NAO around the place, and since Ahri is one of my best champs, I thought I would put my PhD skills to use and write a little report on the changes. Here is a link to a [2 and a it page] PDF that I wrote in LaTeX:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?pd524wbv6zorl3p

[It's not a download, you can view it directly on the page, and no it won't virus you D:]

The summary is:

- Tones down her laning damage early;

- W does basically the same damage late game, but it IS a bit less [a tiny tiny bit];

- R does more damage late game. With a a full build + blue elixir + Baron, you are looking at 24.78975 more damage per R flame fire leading to a total increase of 223.10775 on her ult.

- She is still just as good overall,and better when you hit late game


This took about 75 minutes total, so hope it was worth the read. Thanks!


Edit: Reddit post! http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflege..._ahri_changes/

 
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ashxu ?? Senior Member
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06-01-2012

Aren't you fancy with your high school mathamacations

could of just said "fox fire breaks even at 800 ap"

 
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indioBR ?? Senior Member
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06-01-2012

Yes, nice, good job doing the maths

 
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VoidInsanity ?? Senior Member
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Actually since the ap ratio of Fox fire has increased but the base damage is the same, her laning damage has actually increased for aggressive AP builds or is otherwise unchanged.

Your math is bad.

 
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Loleon ?? Senior Member
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The ratio increase is so small on W that the difference is negligible at Rank 1 when you have a small amount of AP. You need 40 AP to even get 1 more damage per flame. When you go balls deep on someone at level 6, you lose 45 damage from your ult, so yeah, you lost damage in lane.

 
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Loleon ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by ashxu View Post
Aren't you fancy with your high school mathamacations

could of just said "fox fire breaks even at 800 ap"
While true, I always like to phrase my arguments in such a way that there are no [or as little as possible] gaps in it for people to jump on. Hence, everything displayed fully .

 
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Actually since the ap ratio of Fox fire has increased but the base damage is the same, her laning damage has actually increased for aggressive AP builds or is otherwise unchanged.

Your math is bad.
smart ass

 
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Originally Posted by ashxu View Post
Aren't you fancy with your high school mathamacations

could of just said "fox fire breaks even at 800 ap"
yep but some times you need the explanation to make people actually see it.

 
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Originally Posted by Loleon View Post
The ratio increase is so small on W that the difference is negligible at Rank 1 when you have a small amount of AP. You need 40 AP to even get 1 more damage per flame. When you go balls deep on someone at level 6, you lose 45 damage from your ult, so yeah, you lost damage in lane.
No, you haven't. Because R isn't a lane skill, its your ultimate. 3Q, 1W, 1E. Your lane damage gets an increase, a very minor one but still an increase. R is used for escaping and positioning, not its damage.

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smart ass
Better to be the smart one, than the dumb one.

 
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Loleon ?? Senior Member
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No, you haven't. Because R isn't a lane skill, its your ultimate. 3Q, 1W, 1E. Your lane damage gets an increase, a very minor one but still an increase. R is used for escaping and positioning, not its damage.
While you are right in that not using R for damage means you will have a small increase, not using R for a kill if you know you are safe is silly. If you have warded properly and know you are safe, you should most definitely jump on them with R + the rest of it if you are sure you can get a kill. It is used for positioning yeah, but you aren't hitting anyone with the damage, you are doing it wrong.

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