He's been considered a top jungler by NA for some time now, idk why everyone is saying NA doesn't know his value lol

His inherent design simply does not allow him to compete with the common tops nowadays. This nerf did not change that one bit. Riot cannot adjust champions considering the wants of the very few.

Because sub-1500, or at least 90% of the population, still believe that Lee is the #1 jungler.

This is an unfortunate side-effect sometimes, and I know it sucks if your favorite role for a champion gets hit unintentionally because of a change. This does hurt top lane Nocturne. I don't think it's a sledgehammer to the face, but yes, it's a nerf.

I think if anything, it'll just maybe make his jungling slightly weaker, meaning more prone to ganks if anything. Granted a good team SHOULD be jungle countering Nautilus all the time, yet many. . .don't for some odd reason.

No really, for those who think it's false, go take Nautilus jungle blue two times.

Also, I don't think that will really stop Nautilus from what he really brings to the table. Which is the lane CC-hell-gank.

I understand as well ya'll want to just poke at it, and see if this works, but the core of the folks disliking him, but also making him VERY powerful, is EVERY attack is a form of CC.

Hi Phr 'Tons of Damage' eak!

Two things to think of when counter-jungling:

1. You're on the other side of the map, meaning the enemy will get to you faster than your team
(1b. You should bring your team to help against this fact)

2. Nautilus will slow, root, and stun the heck out of you. Then see #1.

Now I do agree that it's very effective and worth doing. It's just a very risky proposition.

What made you guys think it's nocturne's sustain?

...Not like it has anything to do with the fact that his ult allows him to either initiate with a tanky build or assassinate carries at will.

If you actually lane with nocturne...lol

We try to keep the really big moments, and the reason you pick champions intact. We try to nerf the less-important things to balance them instead. This helps push them in an obvious direction instead of making them just feel "meh" all around.

Nocturne is the dude who hurtles across the map into your face. He's not the dude you pick "because Umbra Blades gives me 30 health on the Wolf camp!"